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There are 17 messages totalling 478 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Bessie Parkes's Surrey wastrels
2. Dickens (2)
3. Question about Grand Essay (2)
4. Bessie Parkes' Surrey wastrels
5. query: novels about London (6)
6. query: novels about London
7. George Eliot on homosexuality
8. Announcing a Victorian Exhibition
9. Seaside Hotels
10. Fishwoman a triangle
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:22:07 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Bessie Parkes's Surrey wastrels
Hi!
Could she be talking about transportation? This would fit in with
"compassionate justice" as there were apparently cases where the death
penalty was commuted to transportation (which I think ended in the 1850s,
though I could be wrong - I don't have the details to hand)
All the best
Chris
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signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius
of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1953
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:35:15 EDT
From: Judith Flanders <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Dickens
Does anyone belong to a Dickens mailbase, who might pass along a query for
me? (Unless of course someone on Victoria knows the answer!)
I would like to know the date that Dickens wrote his will -- i.e., not the
date that he died and it was executed, but when he had actually written it.
Answers to my address below would be very welcome.
Many thanks.
Judith Flanders
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:36:16 GMT
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Question about Grand Essay
>
> In "The New Woman and the Old" (Lady's Realm 1898),
Grand writes: "The New
> Woman's strength of expression has shaken the Old
Woman, and she accuses her
> of indelicacy, although, in the same breath, she
herself stigmatises some of
> her own sex with one of the foulest epithets in the
language. [...] Any idea what Grand might have
thought "one of the foulest epithets in the
> language" to be?
I assume she meant 'prostitute' or synonyms thereof.
I.e. that the Old Woman was a convinced supporter of
the Double Moral Standard which New Women were
contesting.
Lesley Hall
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:52:09 -0700
From: Jack Kolb <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dickens
> Does anyone belong to a Dickens mailbase, who might pass along a query for
> me? (Unless of course someone on Victoria knows the answer!)
> I would like to know the date that Dickens wrote his will -- i.e., not the
> date that he died and it was executed, but when he had actually written
> it. Answers to my address below would be very welcome.
> Many thanks.
> Judith Flanders
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Patrick McCarthy <[log in to unmask]>
runs the Dickens list:
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(It's whence I forwarded the post about the spontaneous combustion article
online.)
I'll forward your query to him, Judith.
Jack Kolb
Dept. of English, UCLA
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:46:30 +0100
From: SMEVERS <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Bessie Parkes' Surrey wastrels
Bessie Parkes may have been speaking about young boys at the Redhill
Farm School, Surrey. This was run by the Royal Philanthropic Society now
RPSRainer.
The Philanthropic Society was set up in 1788, placed children in small
houses where they were taught a skill by the person in charge,
(shoemaker, carpenter, tailor etc) 1792 saw the Institution at St
George's Southwark opened. 1848 has a move to Redhill with five houses
for 50 boys built by 1857. There were training workshops and, of
course, a chapel whose foundation stone was laid in April 1849 by Prince
Albert.
1933 - 1973 saw it with "Approved School" status. In 1988 a re-launch
has seen the proceeds of the sale of the farm re-invested in work with
young people at risk. About £13m per annum (and growing within the money
it can raise) now works with youngsters leaving care, offenders, and
others at risk to provide joined-up care through local services. It co-
ordinates the whole of the leaving care service for Surrey and Kent.
Bail hostels, mentoring, employment, training and housing, services are
becoming nation-wide.
http://www.rpsrainer.org/History.asp gives the outline dates
addresses for archives at
http://www.rpsrainer.org/Archives.asp
In 1838 Parkhurst Prison had been converted into a reformatory for young
offenders. Those who were most promising were transferred to Redhill
after receiving the Royal Pardon. However, Charles Dickens fostered a
popular movement leading to the Reformatory School Act of 1854. Redhill
received boys at the end of their sentences, voluntary cases and very
young boys sentenced to transportation by assizes or sessions.
Bessie Parke's poem fits this date happily.
By 1882 an extensive emigration scheme was sending out as many as 35
boys a year to South Africa, Canada and Australia with welfare officers
appointed to receive them on arrival. The school claimed that barely ten
percent of Old Boys, either at home or abroad were relapsing into crime.
There's more, but that's more than enough!
Sheila
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:54:56 -0500
From: Tracey S Rosenberg <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Question about Grand Essay
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Lesley Hall wrote:
> > Any idea what Grand might have thought "one of the foulest epithets in
> > the language" to be?
> I assume she meant 'prostitute' or synonyms thereof.
Grand was definitely on the social purity side of things; she had a
documented appreciation of Josephine Butler (she who contested the
Contagious Diseases Acts), for example. I just came across a chapter in a
book which dealt with that very topic, should it be of interest. So I'll
second Lesley's opinion.
--Tracey S. Rosenberg ([log in to unmask])
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:32:18 -0400
From: "Jadwin, Lisa" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: query: novels about London
Hello listmembers,
I'm about to depart to London for a few weeks, and would appreciate your
suggestions about novels set in London that would be enjoyable to take along
or buy while there. (On previous trips, we''ve enjoyed Great Expectations,
Vanity Fair, and some non-Victorian others, including detective fiction by
P.D. James and others.)
All suggestions will be appreciated, especially if they're available in
paperback.
Thanks,
Lisa Jadwin
St. John Fisher College
Rochester, NY
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:24:36 +0100
From: Paul Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: query: novels about London
Basil by Wilkie Collins is set in London, as are several others. But Basil
is easy to buy and not well known and very good.
Paul
Paul Lewis
web www.paullewis.co.uk
tel 07836 217311
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Subject: query: novels about London
Hello listmembers,
I'm about to depart to London for a few weeks, and would appreciate your
suggestions about novels set in London that would be enjoyable to take along
or buy while there. (On previous trips, we''ve enjoyed Great Expectations,
Vanity Fair, and some non-Victorian others, including detective fiction by
P.D. James and others.)
All suggestions will be appreciated, especially if they're available in
paperback.
Thanks,
Lisa Jadwin
St. John Fisher College
Rochester, NY
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:44:30 +0100
From: Lawrence Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: query: novels about London
Try some of these, from about 1880 on, the most recent last:
George Gissing, 'The Nether World', 'New Grub Street', 'The Odd women'
Conan Doyle, 'The Study in Scarlet'
Joseph Conrad, 'The Secret Agent'
Jean Rhys, 'Voyage in the Dark'
Patrick Hamilton, 'Hangover Square', 'The Slaves of Solitude' or the
'Twenty Thousand Streets Under the sky' trilogy
Graham Greene, 'The Ministry of Fear'
Peter Ackroyd, 'Hawksmoor'
Hanif Kureishi, 'The Buddha of Suburbia'
Ian Sinclair, 'White Chappell, Scarlet Tracings'
Happy reading!
Lawrence Phillips
Goldsmiths College,
University of London
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:32:43 -0500
From: Patrick Leary <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: query: novels about London
Let me ask that anyone who would like to suggest non-Victorian titles
for Lisa's consideration send them to her privately (at [log in to unmask])
rather than to the entire list. Please remember, too, to delete any
appended postings from the bottom of yours before sending.
-- Patrick
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:48:30 -0700
From: David Rollison <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: query: novels about London
Edward Rutherfurd's, _London_
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:00:05 -0700
From: "Peter H. Wood" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: query: novels about London
A very minor correction and a strong recommendation to Lawrence
Phillips' list. It's "A Study in Scarlet", not "The...", and practically all
the stories in the Sherlock Holmes canon (except for "The Hound of the
Baskervilles" and "The Valley of Fear") portray Victorian London, though
admittedly most are short stories, not novels.
A very strong recommendation for Peter Ackroyd's "Hawksmoor", which is
liable to send you looking for "...the Church of Little St. Hugh beside
Moorfields in Black Step Lane". Beware - you may find it. London has many
secrets.
Peter Wood
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:14:13 -0400
From: Christopher Reese <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: query: novels about London
I have always thought that MRS. DALLOWAY by Virginia Woolf is a great London
novel. Also many of Anthony Trollope's novels (not the Barchester ones) are
set in London and are a lot of fun (esp. if your taste runs more along the
Austen/Forester/Waugh line). Anyway, that is all I can think of right now.
I hope this helps.
Cheers :-)
Christopher
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:20:22 -0400
From: Holly Forsythe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: George Eliot on homosexuality
Yisrael Levin wrote:
> Is there any place where Eliot refers to homosexuality? How does she
> perceive it?<
I don't recall any explicit discussions of homosexuality in the fiction,
essays or letters. However, she did depict an arguably homoerotic
relationship between Mordecai and Daniel Deronda, a wide variety of
"confirmed bachelors" and Mr Rappit, the hairdresser from St Ogg's seems
to be a familiar caricature of queerness: on the latter, see Wm Cohen
"Schadenfreude in _The Mill on the Floss_" (ch. 4) _Sex Scandal: The
Private Parts of Victorian Fiction_. Durham NC: Duke UP, 1996.
Of course, there is a good deal of critical discussion about GE's
narratorial performances as "drag":
see Sherri Catherine Smith, "George Eliot, Straight Drag and the
Masculine Investments of Feminism" _Women's Writing_ 3: 2 (1996),
97-112;
and Wendy Bashant's "Singing in Greek Drag: Gluck, Berlioz, George
Eliot," in _En Travesti_, Ed. Corinne Blackmer and Patricia J. Smith.
NY: Columbia UP, 1995. 216-41.
It may be useful to examine her relationships with fervid fans like Elma
Stuart and Edith Simcox (Haight clearly has some homophobic anxiety
about the latter)--although of course perception of same-sex eroticism
varied markedly according to gender. As well, there are some explicit
complaints about Byron's sexuality, which you could locate through the
_GE Letters_ index: if memory serves, these refer to incest, but there
might be more there than I recall.
I'm very interested in your findings, Yisrael: please let me know if
your paper's published. By all means contact me directly if you seek
more on GE's narratorial drag: it's a central interest of mine.
Hope this helps,
Holly Forsythe, doctoral student, University of Toronto
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:57:04 -0400
From: KATHERINE COOPER <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Announcing a Victorian Exhibition
The Bob Jones University Museum & Gallery in Greenville, South Carolina is
proud to present Behind Closed Doors: Victorian Vignettes. This unique
exhibition features hundreds of 19th century objects from the private
collection of Charleston art expert Dawn Evers. Five Victorian room
vignettes create the context for displaying Ms. Evers' extensive collection
of furniture, china, portrait miniatures, fashion accessories, and jewelry.
These objects and their settings provide the key to a Victorian's public
and private world. Gallery admission is $5 per adult and $4 per senior.
Beginning September 10 public exhibition tours will be held at 3 p.m. on
Thursdays and Fridays for an additional fee of $2. To receive an exhibition
brochure call (864)242-5100, Ext. 1053, or for more information check out
www.bju.edu/gallery.
Katherine Cooper
Docent
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:10:27 +0100
From: Gillian Kemp <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Seaside Hotels
16 July 2002
The following may be of interest, although cannot guarantee full details of
hotels
The Seaside Holiday: the history of the English seaside resort
Anthony Hern
(Cresset Press, 1967)
Bathing Machines and Bloomers
Muriel Searle
(Midas Books, 1977)
Pleasures & Pastimes in Victorian Britain
Pamela Horn
(Sutton Publishing, 1999)
Regards
Gillian
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Gillian Kemp, MA
Independent Scholar
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:46:09 -0700
From: Lila Harper <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Fishwoman a triangle
In an 1884 book review of Abbott's Flatland, I found reference to an
apparent well-known joke that I would like to pin down. Does anyone recall
a fishwoman being called an isosceles triangle in a humorous retort? The
quote is: "The word spoken in jest by the wit, who retorted on an enraged
and abusive fishwoman with the remark that she was an isoscles triangle,
would have been taken solemnly and understood literally in Flatland." Now I
know female fish sellers were often presented as being particularly sharp
spoken, but geometric? Any leads would be appreciated.
Lila Harper
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