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Subject: VICTORIA Digest - 11 May 2002 to 12 May 2002 (#2002-133)
There are 12 messages totalling 440 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. detective/sensation servants
2. Victorian Legislation (3)
3. Police work (3)
4. Frances Trollope (3)
5. UPDATE: WOMEN'S POETRY AND THE FIN DE SIECLE (1875-1914)
6. music in schools
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 09:38:11 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: detective/sensation servants
Hi!
Patrizia wrote:
> yes, Frances Hodgson Burnett's The Making of a
> Marchioness is reprinted along with its sequel, The Methods of Lady
> Walderhurst.
Details are on the persephone website - www.persephonebooks.co.uk
All the best
Chris
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:32:31 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Victorian Legislation
Hi!
Does anyone know any good sources for Victorian changes in the law regarding
burial?
I've been doing some work on Victorian burial customs, and have found
several infuriatingly vague references to "an 1823 Act" allowing suicides to
be buried in consecrated ground (albeit without a religious ceremony). What
I can't find is any reference to the name of this Act. Short of phoning the
Law Society or going through the whole of Hansard for 1823, I can't think of
any way of finding out what it was called.
Is there any book or site that lists the Acts passed in each year? Or is
there any way of finding an Act in the All-England Law Reports (or anything
similar) without a name? I'm sure there must be some obvious source that
I'm missing - if anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd be very
grateful. Many thanks!
All the best
Chris
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:35:25 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Police work
Hi!
The 1890s Strand magazine had some very good articles on practical aspects
of policing in London - there was one on the river police and various ones
about other aspects of police work, inlcuding a comparision of the Met with
their American counterparts. I don't have details to hand, but they should
be easy to find from Beare's Index to the Strand Magazine.
All the best
Chris
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:03:25 +0100
From: Andrew Mangham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Police work
Philip Collins's _Dickens and Crime_ gives a good introductory chapter =
on Scotland Yard, prisons, detectives, and Victorian crime in general.
Best,
Andrew Mangham
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:52:54 +0100
From: K Eldron <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Victorian Legislation
The following still lacks the title - but it does have the statutory
reference! It might have been unofficially known as MacKintosh's Law - see
further below:
"Griffiths was the last London suicide known to have been buried at a
cross-roads. Glaring legal inequities, like those apparent in the
Londonderry and Griffiths cases, were to come to an end in mid-1823, with
the passage of 4 George IV.c 52. This law made it illegal for coroners to
issue a warrant for burial of a felo-de-se in a public highway. Within
twenty four hours of the inquest, the suicide was to be interred in a
churchyard or public burial place. Superstitions and the desire to punish
self-murderers remained, however. Suicides had been buried at cross-roads
because these were signs of the cross; because steady traffic over the
suicide's grave could help keep the person's ghost down; and because ancient
sacrificial victims had been slain at such sites. Since they were considered
the ultimate sinners, suicides had been staked to prevent their restless
wanderings as lost souls. If life was a gift from God, the taking of it was
God's prerogative only. This latter belief died hard, and the 1823 law
contained punitive clauses. A felo-de-se must still be buried without
Christian rites and at night, between the hours of nine and midnight, and
his/her goods and chattels must still be turned over to the Crown."
"On 26 May 1823, Sir James MacKintosh, an impassioned parliamentarian, rose
to the floor of the House of Commons. He labeled those who could approve of
impaling bodies of other human beings, "Cannibals," and then called for an
end to forfeiture. Not for a moment did he think that the penal laws against
suicide were representative of current public conscience. Nor was there
fairness in verdicts:
"Verdicts of insanity were almost always found in the cases of persons in
the higher stations of life: where self-slayers were humble and defenceless,
there felo-de-se was usually returned. This might perhaps be accounted for,
without any imputations upon the impartiality of juries. First, because
persons in high life had usually better means of establishing the excuse for
the criminal act. Secondly, because suicide was rarely the crime of the
poorer classes occupied with their daily labours. It was the effect of
wounded shame; the result of false pride, and the fear of some imaginary
degradation. Thirdly, the very barbarity of the law rendered it impotent;
for juries would not consent that the remains of the dead should be thus
outraged if they could find any colour for a verdict of insanity.
[Parliamentary Reports, 416]
"Cheers went up from the House as MacKintosh seated himself after this
speech. On 4 July, the new law passed, replacing a custom that the Annual
Register termed "revolting to every natural feeling." "
- Victorian Suicide: Mad Crimes and Sad Histories (1988) by Barbara T.
Gates, Alumni Distinguished Professor of English, University of Delaware
(on-line chapter published on Taken from the Victorian Web).
Searching for felo de se (the legal term) rather than suicide might be
helpful in tracking down more references.
K Eldron
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:00:52 +0100
From: Bevis benneworth <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Police work
The August 1898 edition of Harmsworth Magazine has a fascinating , nicely
illustrated article " The Medical detective and his work. Criminals
convicted by the microscope. " by T F Manning .
B Benneworth
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 12:26:11 -0700
From: karen selesky <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Frances Trollope
Hi All,
I'm appealing to the vast knowledge of the list for some direction in
reading Frances Trollope's novels. I'm working on a dissertation that
examines philanthropy, reform and the responsibility of women in the novels
and poetry of the Victorian period. I've read _Michael Armstrong, The
Factory Boy_ and will be reading _Jessie Phillips_. But as Trollope wrote
35 novels and I'm in the "too much to read, too little time" quandary of
dissertation work, I was hoping list members could advise what other
Trollope novels I should track down.
Thanks in advance
Karen
The house is old, the trees are bare / And moonless bends the misty dome /
But what on earth is half so dear, / So longed for as the hearth of home? ~
Emily Brontė
Karen Selesky
PhD Candidate
Dept of English, UBC
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 19:29:24 +0100
From: Ana Vadillo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: UPDATE: WOMEN'S POETRY AND THE FIN DE SIECLE (1875-1914)
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:34:41 -0400
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Frances Trollope
Karen,
I think you should read Jonathan Jefferson Whitlaw. I regard JJW, Jessie
Phillips, and Michael Armstrong as a unit, since they each attack
contemporary social ills with a similar passion.
Dr. Ann-Barbara Graff
University of Toronto
On Sun, 12 May 2002, karen selesky wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm appealing to the vast knowledge of the list for some direction in
> reading Frances Trollope's novels. I'm working on a dissertation that
> examines philanthropy, reform and the responsibility of women in the
> novels and poetry of the Victorian period. I've read _Michael Armstrong,
> The Factory Boy_ and will be reading _Jessie Phillips_. But as Trollope
> wrote 35 novels and I'm in the "too much to read, too little time"
> quandary of dissertation work, I was hoping list members could advise
> what other Trollope novels I should track down.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Karen
> The house is old, the trees are bare / And moonless bends the misty dome /
> But what on earth is half so dear, / So longed for as the hearth of home?
> ~ Emily Brontė
>
> Karen Selesky
> PhD Candidate
> Dept of English, UBC
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.interchange.ubc.ca/selesky
>
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 07:07:21 +1000
From: Ellen Jordan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: music in schools
Richard Fulton's question about the certification of music teachers for
Board Schools has made me wonder why there is so little mention of this in
the advice literature to young women seeking work. It does not even seem to
have come to the attention of the Society for Promoting the Employment of
Women whose Minutes I have been reading.
There is reference in the Minutes in 1879-80 to a "music governess" getting
a loan to study harmony so she can prepare her pupils for the Cambridge
Senior Examination, but nothing after that until the 1890s, when all the
emphasis is on girls who want to study at the Royal Academy of Music. Even
then applicants were warned that "experience has proved that the musical
profession is so terribly overcrowded that it is most difficult for any one
without exceptional talent to maintain themselves by means of it".
If it has been usual for trained musicians to get work with the Board
Schools or the Teachers' Colleges the Society would almost certainly have
been recommending it. From 1892 on they were making loans to women who were
trying to get Teacher's Diplomas in Plain Cookery at the National School of
Cookery, and they seemed to feel this could lead to a remunerative career
in teaching.
I wonder if the certification and grants scheme mentioned ever really came
to anything. Was there any mention in the source of the institution that
did the certifying?
Ellen Jordan
University of Newcastle
Australia
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:27:42 -0700
From: Beppe Sabatini <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Victorian Legislation
> I've been doing some work on Victorian burial customs, and have found
> several infuriatingly vague references to "an 1823 Act" allowing suicides
> to
> be buried in consecrated ground (albeit without a religious ceremony).
This is "A Bill To alter and amend the Law, relating to the interment of the
Remains of any Person found _Felo de se_."
You can find this in the Parliamentary Papers 1823, vol. 1, p. 203. In the
microfiche reprint version, it is on card 25.3. The session is 4 Geo.
IV.--Sess. 1823; the date is 28 May 1823.
Good luck with your research!
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:33:12 -0400
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Frances Trollope
You might want to read a copy of Frances Trollope and the Novel of Social
Change, Greenwood P, 2002, edited by yours truly. The introduction gives
an overview of her novels. Good luck.
At 12:26 PM 5/12/02 -0700, you wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm appealing to the vast knowledge of the list for some direction in
> reading Frances Trollope's novels. I'm working on a dissertation that
> examines philanthropy, reform and the responsibility of women in the
> novels and poetry of the Victorian period. I've read _Michael Armstrong,
> The Factory Boy_ and will be reading _Jessie Phillips_. But as Trollope
> wrote 35 novels and I'm in the "too much to read, too little time"
> quandary of dissertation work, I was hoping list members could advise
> what other Trollope novels I should track down.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Karen
> The house is old, the trees are bare / And moonless bends the misty dome /
> But what on earth is half so dear, / So longed for as the hearth of home?
> ~ Emily Brontė
>
> Karen Selesky
> PhD Candidate
> Dept of English, UBC
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.interchange.ubc.ca/selesky
>
>
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