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There are 20 messages totalling 598 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Telscopic Philanthropy
2. Environment and the Poor (3)
3. MARY BARTON Query: "raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture" (6)
4. Introduction
5. biographical information
6. Mohawks (3)
7. Last Victorian war is focus of new historical novel.
8. 19th c. Caribbean
9. Mohawks -- "Mohocks."
10. Hayward
11. Thomas Bewick
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:38:07 -0500
From: zeta mcdonald <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Telscopic Philanthropy
Hi All
Can anyone suggest Victorian sources that deal the concept of telescopic
philanthropy? I have already delved into Bleak House and Dickens's portrait
of Mrs Jellyby as the ultimate literary example.
Thanks for all suggestions.
Zeta McDonald
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:42:09 -0500
From: zeta mcdonald <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Environment and the Poor
Hi everyone
Can anyone assist with sources on the environmentalist argument that stated
that the poor were corrupted or elevated by the state of their dwellings or
surroundings. How was this debate initiated and when?
Thanks very much for any help with this.
Zeta McDonald
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:43:53 -0500
From: "Jason A. Pierce" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: MARY BARTON Query: "raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture"
Can anyone explain the term "raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture"? It appears
in chapter 20 of MARY BARTON in a paragraph that runs thus:
And Mary turned out of the house, which had been his home, where he was
loved, and mourned for, into the busy, desolate, crowded street, where
they were crying halfpenny broadsides, giving an account of the bloody
murder, the coroner's inquest, and a raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture
of the suspected murderer, James Wilson.
With thanks,
Jason Pierce
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:14:45 +1000
From: Kathleen Jennings <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Introduction
Hello, my name is Kathleen Jennings. I'm an Honours student (also =
halfway through a law degree) at the University of Queensland, =
Australia, introduced to this list by my supervisor. Within the =
Victorian era, my interests are children's literature, elements of the =
fantastic, and representations of the landscape and environment as well =
as in legal issues generally. I am currently writing my thesis on the =
influence of the railway on British children's literature.
Regards,
Kathleen Jennings
Grace College
Walcott St
St Lucia 4067
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:19:42 -0600
From: "D. Ostrander" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: MARY BARTON Query: "raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture"
Dr. Jason A. Pierce asked,
Can anyone explain the term "raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture"? It appears
in chapter 20 of MARY BARTON, etc.
In response to Jason Pierce's inquiry on the meaning behind this phrase, I
found that it has African-American origins. For example, author Mary E Lyons
has written a children's book called _Raw Head, Bloody Bones:
African-American Tales of the Supernatural_. The tale with this name is
described as a "cautionary" one, "demonstrating that loose tongues cause
trouble." Further, I found a site called "Aframerindian Slave Narratives,"
and one of the narratives by a Matilda Poe includes the following lines:
" I don't believe in luck charms and things of the such. Iffen you is in
trouble, there ain't nothing gonna save you but de Good Laud. I heard of
folks keeping all kind of things for good luck charms. When I was a child
different people gave me buttons to string and we called them our charm
string and wore 'em round our necks. If we was mean dey would tell us 'Old
Raw Head and Bloody Bones' would git us. Grand mammy told us ghost stories
after supper, but I don't remember any of dem."
So it seems the picture of the suspected murderer, like the old ghost story,
was being used as a deterrent against future wrong-doing.
Best wishes,
Diana Ostrander
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:52:23 -0600
From: "D. Ostrander" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: MARY BARTON Query: "raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture"
One further bit of information regarding this query: In a recent NASSR
listserv discussion (NASSR-L LOG9908 Archive Note), Rick Albright also
inquired about this phrase, which he says "shows up a number of times during
the Romantic period." The following is one of the responses to his query.
(You might want to refer to the others as well.)
Diana Ostrander
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From: TOM DILLINGHAM <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "Raw Head and Bloody Bones"
Marina Warner's recent book, _No Go the Bogeyman: Scaring, Lulling
and Making Mock_, includes a couple of references to Rawhead and
bloody-bones: at the conclusion of a list of folkloric ogres and
monsters (beginning with Grendel) she writes "Raw-Head-and-Bloody-
Bones, a.k.a. Tommy Rawhead. He was 'a widely distributed
nursery goblin, who dragged children down into marlpits or
lurked in dark cupboards,' Katharine Briggs writes in her valuable
glossary of fairies and other goblins." [The "glossary" is
_The Fairies in Tradition and Literature_ and I am sorry I don'
t
have it handy to check whether she offers any information on dates
or origins. Warner also mentions _The Encyclopedia of
British Bogies_ by Cecily Peele (Oxford, 1978) but I do not
have access to it at the moment, either.} I hope this helps.
Tom Dillingham
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:56:29 -0500
From: Herb Schlossberg <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: biographical information
Thanks to Herbert Tucker, Sally Mitchell and Jill Grey for their
suggestions. I think the Concise Dictionary will do it for me, and I was
able to locate a used one for sale on the Web.
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:00:36 -0600
From: Martin A Danahay <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Environment and the Poor
Zeta: The fastest way into this topic would b e to read Daniel Pick's "Faces
of degeneration : a European disorder, c.1848-c.1918" New York : Cambridge
University Press, 1989 which treats the whole pan European debate over the
effects of environment and evolution on the poor.
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Subject: Environment and the Poor
Hi everyone
Can anyone assist with sources on the environmentalist argument that stated
that the poor were corrupted or elevated by the state of their dwellings or
surroundings. How was this debate initiated and when?
Thanks very much for any help with this.
Zeta McDonald
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:30:00 -0500
From: richard vandewetering <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Environment and the Poor
Dear Zeta
you could look at J.A. Hobson's "The Crisis of Liberalism" which
attacks what could be called "Just World Theory" (i.e. that individuals are
responsible for their own fate). Hobson's focus is on all the various
influences that affect a person, but does mention the especial problems of
slum life. An excerpt of this may be found in Robert Eccleshall's "British
Liberalism" p. 208.
By the way: what do you mean by 'telescopic poverty'?
Yours Richard VandeWetering
Politics, Univ of Western Ontario
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:53 -0000
From: Susan Hoyle <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: MARY BARTON Query: "raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture"
Just to confirm what others have said (though I'm not sure about the
African-American connexion): Brwer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (1894
edition) says simply this:
<<Rawhead and Bloody-Bones. A bogie at one time the terror of children.
"Servants awe children and keep them in subjection by telling them of
"Rawhead and Bloody-bones." -- Locke.>>
Susan
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:42:30 -0000
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Mohawks
Hi!
Maureen asked:
> Can anyone point me in the direction of more information about the
> Mohawks, that band of ruffians who terrorised Vauxhall Gardens?
I don't know if it's any help, but Mary Elizabeth Braddon wrote a historical
novel called "Mohawks" in 1886.
All the best
Chris
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seems to be to make them machines for the production of incessant noise."
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:21:58 -0800
From: Sidney Allinson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Last Victorian war is focus of new historical novel.
May I respectfully draw subscribers' attention to my new book, "KRUGER'S
GOLD: A novel of the Anglo-Boer War."
Though fictional, it is based on many actual historical events, and
meticulously researched in everyday details of the 1901-02 era. It conveys
the Anglo-Boer War [South African War] even-handedly from both the Boer and
British points of view.
My book follows the quest by a mounted patrol of Canadian and British
soldiers to recover fifteen million dollars' worth of gold bullion looted
from Transvaal banks on orders of "Oom Paul" Kruger, fugitive President of
the Transvaal Republic. At the same time, it presents life on the veld of a
Boer commando opposing the troopers.
KRUGER'S GOLD conveys factual realities: contemporary habits, artifacts,
military customs, tactics, weaponry, food, farming, clothing, diseases, and
social conditions and attitudes at the end of Queen Victoria's reign. It
conveys political views then, General Kitchener's "scorched earth" policy,
British anti-commando units, the oft-forgotten civil war between
Afrikaners, the role of Anglo-South African colonists, the volunteers from
other white Dominions who fought for Britain, foreign volunteers who joined
the Boer cause, the victimization of black Africans, and the political
split in Britain and Canada for and against the war.
It is written without retrospective PC disapproval, to convey the
prejudices at the time about race and gender and unblinkingly reveal the
deadly horrors of British concentration camps and ruthless guerilla
fighting. Mutual chivalry mixed with excesses by both sides, while over
27,000 white civilians, 30,000 blacks, and 35,000 combatants died in the
"last of the gentlemen's wars."
Along with serious period background details, my novel is written to enjoy
as a "rattling good read" -- colourful characters, strong beautiful women
and resolute soldiers, intrepid burghers, a dastardly secret agent, love
and lust, humour, battles, blood, hidden treasure, and mystery. It also
includes maps, a glossary of British army slang and Afrikaans words, lists
of participants and casualties, and a summary of the aftermath.
KRUGER'S GOLD was carefully researched over many years and written to share
my enthusiasm for this little-understood conflict. Anyone who may be
interested further can find details at www.xlibris.com/krugersgold.html
-- Sidney Allinson,
Victoria, British Columbia,
Canada.
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:34:11 -0500
From: "M. Summy" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 19th c. Caribbean
Dear Victoria(nists),
I am currently working on a project focusing on
British/American/Caribbean representations of Caribbean women in the
nineteenth century. I would love to hear (off-list would be best) from
anyone who has done research on *any* aspect of the Caribbean in the
nineteenth century or scholars who have recently visited / or currently
reside there. I would also like to hear from anyone who has done or is
doing research on Latin America and Great Britain in the nineteenth century.
Please repond to me privately if you would not mind corresponding with me
about your work.
Melisa Summy
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:19:52 -0800
From: Sidney Allinson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Mohawks -- "Mohocks."
Maureen asked:
> > Can anyone point me in the direction of more information about the
> > Mohawks, that band of ruffians who terrorised Vauxhall Gardens?
They were a gang of wealthy young men, self-styled "rakes", but really
just sadists whose hobby was to maim or kill helpless passersby anywhere
in London during the late 18th century.
They usually called themselves "Mohocks" (from Mohawk Indians.)
An old rhyme about them went:
?You sent your Mohocks next abroad,
With razors armed, and knives;
Who on night-walkers made inroad,
And scared our maids and wives;
They scared the watch, and windows broke ??
- Sidney Allinson.
www.xlibris.com/krugersgold.html
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:33:29 EST
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Subject: Re: MARY BARTON Query: "raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture"
In The Dictionary of Faiths and Folklore, 1905, W.C.Hazlitt writes
"Among the objects to terrify children in former times we must not forget
"Raw Head and bloody Bones," who twice occurs in Butler's 'Hudibras:'
"Turns meek and secret sneaking ones
To raw-heads and bloody bones."
And again:
"Made children with your tones to run for't,
As bad as Bloody-bones or Lunsford."
This was the Colonel Lunsford who was attached to the Eart of Bedford's
force during part of the Civil War."
Liz Calvert Smith
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:11:13 -0500
From: Rick Albright <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: MARY BARTON Query: "raw-head-and-bloody-bones picture"
I was remembering my query, but Diana found it first. I had originally
encountered the phrase in a (negative) review of Mary Shelley's 1826 novel,
_The Last Man_, and then ran across it in several other Romantic-era texts;
it seemed to be a common phrase. I don't have my notes ready to hand, but a
quick check of the Chadwyck-Healy database turns up a number of references
in the 17th century, including several by Samuel Butler.
"D. Ostrander" wrote:
> One further bit of information regarding this query: In a recent NASSR
> listserv discussion (NASSR-L LOG9908 Archive Note), Rick Albright also
> inquired about this phrase, which he says "shows up a number of times
during > the Romantic period." The following is one of the responses to his
query. > (You might want to refer to the others as well.)
> Diana Ostrander
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:33:36 -0000
From: K Eldron <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Mohawks
The OED suggests that in the sense of aristocratic ruffians, the term was
usually Mohocks, as in, eg, John Gay's (unproduced) 1712 play "The Mohocks"
about a gang who had named themselves after the Indian tribe with a fearsome
reputation:
Come fill up the Glass,
Round, round let it pass,
'Till our Reason be lost in our Wine:
Leave Conscience's Rules
To Women and Fools,
This only can make us divine.
Chorus. Then a Mohock, a Mohock I'll be,
No Laws shall restrain
Our Libertine Reign,
We'll riot, drink on, and be free. [All Drink.]
1712 seems to have been the year of the Mohock scare - the OED quotes a
source in a number (324) of The Spectator for that year, and also Swift's
Journal to Stella 8 March 1711-12 (... a race of rakes, called the Mohocks,
that play the devil about this town every night, slit people's noses and
beat them, etc). Or perhaps it wasn't! - there is an article in the Duke
University Press journal Eighteenth-Century Life Volume 20.2 (May 1996) by
Neil Guthrie called "No Truth or very little in the whole Story? -- A
Reassessment of the Mohock Scare of 1712". An article taken from History
Today (May 2001)"Monsters and Moral Panic in London" by Jan Bonderson is
quoted at
www.britannica.com/magazine/article?content_id=288075&query=queen%20charlott
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It relates a resurgence of Mohockism (?) in 1790 to the earlier episode.
All this suggests their activities were not confined to Vaux Hall Gardens.
I seem to remember an engraving of a group of Mohocks overturning a
watchman's hut in Covent Garden (a favourite "prank"). By Hogarth? (or
possibly Cruikshank in Pierce Egan's Life in London Or, the Day and Night
Scenes of Jerry Hawthorn, Esq., and His Elegant Friend Corinthian Tom, which
is long 18th century [Regency]).
There is an echo of the Mohocks in Dickens's "The Automaton Police" taken
from The Mudfog Association (Bentley's Miscellany 1837), which contains some
satirical "Practical Suggestions on the necessity of providing some
harmeless and wholesome relaxation for the young noblemen of England" to
wit, a Westworld-like model city in which they could rip off door knockers,
smash street lights, drive their cabs on the pavement, walk about in the
nude, assault robot policemen, appear before robot magistrates, pay token
fines and start all over again!
K Eldron
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:03:22 -0500
From: David Latane <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Mohawks
To all this mohawkiana might be added Lady Morgan's long poem "The
Mohawks" (general attack on all her Tory enemies) and the fact that
Blackwood's was sometimes called the "Mohawk Magazine" for its
squabashing of its foes.
David Latane
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:03:38 +1100
From: Lucy Sussex <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Hayward
I am by now means convinced he wrote the books. It might be generally
accepted, but the evidence is slight. John Carter said the attribution
was almost certainly incorrect. Sadlier suggests a consortium of hack
journalists, and also an alternate candidate, Bracebrydge Hemyng (best
known for contributing to the prostition section of Mayhew, though the
styles are very different).
The variation in quality between some of the books makes me think more
than one hand was involved.
--
Lucy Sussex
Writer, Editor, Researcher
'Of course I draw from life - but I always pulp my acquaintance before
serving them up. You would never recognize a pig in a sausage' -
Frances Trollope
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:41:06 +0000
From: Chloe Nichols <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Thomas Bewick
I am looking for an expert on Thomas Bewick, the illustrator....any
suggestions? Thanks, Chloe
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