Good morning JISC-mailers,
A difficult conundrum since Phil's 'advanced' first aider's omnibus has
swapped passengers! - and probably no longer has just first aiders on
board. As the law of murphy always applies in these cases, you can
guarantee that a paramedic crew won't be available on the day when
intubation may have been required - your guy (I presume) has the
requisite skills and is 'competent' - if he doesn't perform to the best
of his capabilities, is he in breach of his duty of care? (and
interestingly would you be, if you prohibited his use of those skills?)
The role of the first aider is described in the FAW manual ISBN
0751307076, and as long as first aiders practise to the methods in that
manual (defined as 'proper accepted first aid practice' Mod. Law Rev.,
1990, 53); litigation is highly unlikely to succeed (doesn't mean
soneone won't try though).
This however won't help the keen intubator, as this activity is outside
the scope (my opinion) of proper accepted FA practice.
A good one for the litigators.
rgds to all,
Lorenzo Visentin
Group Health Manager, Europe
Sun Valley Foods Ltd
tel: +44(0)1432 362214
fax: +44(0)1432 362306
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Sent: 08 April 2002 17:20
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Subject: Re: First Aid
Hi Phil
I - and all the other OH nurses in the territorial army - were trained
to
'advanced trauma life support' standard but it never even entered my
head to
do such a thing when the ambulance paramedics doing it all the time are
around! Inspite of all this training I don't think I would want to do it
unless there was no alternative - such as you say - in a remote
location.
Stick to the plasters - no pun intended!
Greta Thornbory
Education & Health Care Consultant
WWW.gtenterprises-uk.com
01235 770156 phone
01235 765797 fax
07778 518 027 mobile
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From: Kelley Phil AD GB <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: First Aid
> Hi,
>
> We have had the same concerns. Check out the 1st Aid at Work Regs. If
they
> are trained to FAW certificate level and act within the limits of
their
> training there will be no litigation (this doesn't mean no one will
try!).
> You may wish then to train them for any other specific hazards in your
> particular works.
>
> I have an interesting one. One of our advanced first aiders has got
himself
> on some kind of training to emergency medical technician standards
which
> includes intubation. He now is asking can we buy laryngoscopes and
endo
> tracheal tubes. I was trained to do all that kind of thing when I
worked
in
> remote locations - offshore on oil rigs, but at a chemical firm in a
large
> city?
>
> Regs
>
> Phil.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C.Sims [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 08 April 2002 22:44
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: First Aid
>
>
> Does anybody have a leaflet expalining what a First Aider does,
possibly
> with some questions and answers about the implications of being a
First
> Aider? Apparently we have some reluctance amongst staff to become
First
> Aiders because of the fear of litigation.
> Any information will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanking you in anticipation.
> Clare
> --
> C.Sims [log in to unmask]
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