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There are 34 messages totalling 938 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Unconsummated marriages in fiction (3)
2. Unconsummated Marriages in Fiction
3. unconsummated marriages
4. Mrs henry wood
5. c.19 fantasy (5)
6. The expense of oranges (3)
7. Subject: Unconsummated marriages in fiction
8. Women and wills (6)
9. Unconsummated marriages in fiction/'weak heart'
10. General Elections (4)
11. Nursery Alice--illustrations (2)
12. Thanks for "Odours of the insane" replies
13. Mrs. Henry Wood
14. Nineteenth Century Fantasy Fiction
15. Nineteenth century fantasy fiction
16. archy meets victoria
17. Louis Jourdan's Dracula
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 01:36:57 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Unconsummated marriages in fiction
In a message dated 7/1/2002 10:14:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Judy Geater <
[log in to unmask]> writes:
>
> After this subject came up on another list, I'd like to ask if anybody has
> come across examples of unconsummated marriages in Victorian fiction, or
> maybe also in slightly later novels. One example I thought of was Antonia
> White's autobiographical novel 'The Sugar House', but this was written at
> a much later date in the early 1950s.
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
I've come across a number of marriages in fiction in which the wife was
physically handicapped, or an invalid in some way, and it appears that she
was not expected to have children. I should think this implied an
unconsummated marriage, but who knows? The author Juliana Ewing, who was
very much in love with her husband, didn't seem to expect to have any
children either, from the letters I have seen ... but that is a matter of
general impressions, which could be swept away in a moment by one bit of
hard evidence if there were any.
The examples I can think of at the moment are Ermine in _The Clever Woman of
the Family_, and a minor character, the clergyman's wife, ummmm, Mrs.
Dusautoy, I think, in _The Young Step-Mother_, both by Charlotte Yonge.
Oh, and in Yonge's _The Three Brides_, a good deal is made of Cecil
Charnock's having been married too young, and having a cold relationship
with her husband ... that marriage is childless, though her second
marriage, if I recall correctly, is not. (She thinks at one point, when her
husband's niece is born, that it does not matter that she has not had a
baby yet, she can afford to wait for an heir.) But of course there is no
proof.
Helen Schinske
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:57:16 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Unconsummated Marriages in Fiction
It seems to me that Dr. Tom May's marriage to Averil Ward in Charlotte M.
Yonge's The Trial will likely remain eternally unconsummated, due to her
delicate health and the consequent necessity for her to live a "sofa life."
In Dorothy Canfield Fisher's "The Deepening Stream," Priscilla and her
husband have an unconsummated marriage, because her "distrust for life had
abated only half." That's much later, early 1930s, but the marriage
described takes place about 1910.
Diana Birchall
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:45:56 +0100
From: Sarah A Brown <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: unconsummated marriages
At the end of the period, in Sarah Grand's The Heavenly Twins, the heroine
refuses to consummate her marriage because she finds out about her husband's
promiscuity immediately after the ceremony. She is anxious to avoid
contracting venereal disease.
Sarah
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:38:34 +1000
From: Lucy Sussex <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Mrs henry wood
There was a letter in the TIMES re an advert for a book by Mrs Wood.
Ellen Wood wrote in to point out it was not by Mrs Henry Wood (ie
herself).
Mary Braddon didn't have this problem, but then she had a less common
name.
Lucy
--
Lucy Sussex
Writer, Editor, Researcher
'Of course I draw from life - but I always pulp my acquaintance before
serving them up. You would never recognize a pig in a sausage' -
Frances Trollope
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:35:31 GMT
From: Martin Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: c.19 fantasy
While mention has already been made of Bellamy and Abbott it is
worth noting there are several other utopian fictions (or fantasies)
that include the trope of the dream or vision that transports the
narrator to another world (often the future). Morris' News From
Nowhere gives us the dream version, Bellamy's is more of a
hypnotic or mesmeric trance, and H.G. Wells, in When The
Sleeper Wakes employs (rather obviously) the long sleep.
best wishes
Martin Willis
Dept. of English
UC Worcester
UK
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:45:15 +0100
From: Carrie Etter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: The expense of oranges
I am trying to find out whether oranges would have been considered a =
luxury fruit, so to speak, in the eighteen-forties or =
thereabouts--whether they would have been considered cheap, moderately =
priced, or expensive, generally speaking. Any sources that might put me =
on to an answer would be greatly appreciated.
Carrie Etter
UC Irvine
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:37:20 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Subject: Unconsummated marriages in fiction
Hi!
One such marriage is that of Jabez North (Raymond de Marolles) and Valerie
de Cevannes in Mary Elizabeth Braddon's "The Trail of the Serpent" (1861).
He blackmails her into marrying him so that he will gain money social
prestige, but it's made clear (in chapter 9 of Book 5) that it's "a marriage
only in name". Which is just as well given what happens later in the novel
... but I won't spoil the story for those who haven't read it!
All the best
Chris
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signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not
spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius
of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1953
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 04:05:40 -0500
From: Tracey S Rosenberg <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The expense of oranges
Doesn't Dombey give oranges and halfpennies to the Toodle children, early
on in _Dombey and Son_?
--Tracey S. Rosenberg
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The Mona Caird web page: http://www.imsa.edu/~tsr/mona/
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:59:39 +0100
From: Paul Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Unconsummated marriages in fiction
In Wilkie Collins's _Basil_ the eponymous main character from a high born
family falls in love with Margaret Sherwin a wealthy linen-draper's
daughter. He marries her on condition - imposed by her father - that they
wait a year to consummate the marriage. On the night before the year is up
Basil follows her and her father's clerk Mannion to a cheap hotel and
listening through the wall,
"I listened; and through the thin partition, I heard voices--her voice, and
his voice. I heard and I knew--knew my degradation in all its infamy, knew
my wrongs in all their nameless horror. He was exulting in the patience and
secrecy which had brought success to the foul plot, foully hidden for months
on months; foully hidden until the very day before I was to have claimed as
my wife, a wretch as guilty as himself!"
Basil attacks Mannion and, thinking him dead, runs away. Margaret dies of
typhus and the marriage is never consummated.
Paul
Paul Lewis
web www.paullewis.co.uk
tel 07836 217311
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:37:42 EDT
From: Judith Flanders <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Women and wills
A colleague has asked me to pass on the following request. She is working on
Paxton, and notes that his wife''s executrix were three of her daughters.
She died in 1871. In your experience was it very usual for women to appoint
females as executors? In my small experience of working with wills, I would
have expected her to appoint her sons-in-law (all three daughters were
married). Does anyone have any information, or any suggested reading?
I will pass on suggestions, or she can be reached directly at [log in to unmask]
Thanks, as always,
Judith Flanders
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:56:33 GMT
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Unconsummated marriages in fiction/'weak heart'
The narrator of Ford Madox Ford's _The Good Soldier_ (?
1915 I think) has an unconsummated marriage with his
(adulterous) wife - as I recall she pleads a 'weak
heart' during their wedding voyage (? allegedly
brought on by severe sea-sickness - I don't have the
book to hand). They then spend a lot of time going
round spas in Europe.
Lesley Hall
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website:
http://www.lesleyahall.net
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:17:47 +0100
From: Paul Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: General Elections
I have been searching in vain for a list of General Elections in the UK in
19C. Can anyone help?
Many thanks
Paul
Paul Lewis
web www.paullewis.co.uk
tel 07836 217311
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:59:25 EDT
From: Sally Mitchell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Women and wills
In reading the will of the father (not mother) of Mary Lloyd -- Frances
Power Cobbe's domestic partner -- I was surprised to see that Mary was
one of the three executors, though she had both brothers and brothers-in-
law living. (She was also one of the beneficiaries: for a while I wondered
if her income had been secured in some other fashion and he was choosing
executors who did not benefit from the will.) This death was in 1859.
SALLY MITCHELL | ENGLISH DEPT, TEMPLE UNIVERSITY | [log in to unmask]
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:37:47 -0400
From: Caroline Whitfield <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Nursery Alice--illustrations
Hi all:
I'm hoping that someone on the list can help me. I will be teaching
Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland in the fall and am using the
Broadview edition that includes the original Alice's Adventures Underground
and Nursery Alice which will allow my students to compare the different
versions. We will also compare the illustrations, but the edition does not
include the illustrations for Nursery Alice. Does anyone on the list know
where I can access copies of these illustrations? Apparently they were the
same as for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, except that there were only
20 and they were coloured. Any help is greatly appreciated. With thanks
in advance.
Caroline
Caroline Whitfield
Department of English Language and Literature
Brock University
St. Catharines, ON
L2S 3A1
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phone: (905) 6885550, ext. 3888
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:38:17 -0500
From: Patrick Leary <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: General Elections
Chris Cook and Brendan Keith, _British Historical Facts, 1830-1900_ (New
York, 1975) has a useful list of general election results for the
period. There were elections in the following years: 1832, 1835, 1837,
1841, 1847, 1852, 1857, 1859, 1865, 1868, 1874, 1880, 1885, 1886, 1892,
1895, and 1900.
A very handy volume if you can pick one up secondhand, by the
way. Paul, I'd be happy to look up more detail about these elections in my
copy if you like, just contact me privately.
-- Patrick
____________
Patrick Leary
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:46:07 +0100
From: Malcolm <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Women and wills
Sally Mitchell wrote:
> In reading the will of the father (not mother) of Mary Lloyd -- Frances
> Power Cobbe's domestic partner -- I was surprised to see that Mary was
> one of the three executors, though she had both brothers and brothers-in-
> law living. (She was also one of the beneficiaries: for a while I wondered
> if her income had been secured in some other fashion and he was choosing
> executors who did not benefit from the will.) This death was in 1859.
Charles Bartholomew died in 1889 leaving seven Turkish baths in various
towns and cities in England to Bassalissa Harriet Herriott, known, so far,
only
to have been a friend.
She was also one of the two executors?the one to whom probate was granted.
Yet when the will was made in 1883 Bartholomew had two sons, not to mention
his mother, wife, and a daughter alive (all of whom received annuities).
While, like Sally?s instance above, this was a will made by a man rather
than (as
required in the original posting) by a woman, was it not, perhaps, even more
unusual that a woman should be made an executor by a man?
Malcolm
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:46:20 +0100
From: Malcolm <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Thanks for "Odours of the insane" replies
Apologies for rather belated thanks to those who responded to
my query about the "odour of the insane" whose
replies provided a number of
useful leads for further research.
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:22:46 +0200
From: Seibicke <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Mrs. Henry Wood
Many thanks to Beth, Ellen, Val and particularly to Sally for highly =
stimulating suggestions, links, websites!!!
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:58:53 -0400
From: June or Hilton Siegel <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Nineteenth Century Fantasy Fiction
Trollope's 'The Fixed Period' - a futuristic satire (but wide awake).
June W. Siegel
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:25:06 -0500
From: "M. Jeanne Peterson" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Women and wills
My research on Victorian upper-middle-class women revealed numerous
instances of women serving both as executors and as trustees, the latter
when they were the beneficiaries of the trust.
You can find some instances in my book: Family, Love, and Work the the
Lives of Victorian Gentlewomen
Jeanne Peterson
Indiana University, Bloomington
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Malcolm wrote:
> Sally Mitchell wrote:
>
> > In reading the will of the father (not mother) of Mary Lloyd -- Frances
> > Power Cobbe's domestic partner -- I was surprised to see that Mary was
> > one of the three executors, though she had both brothers and
> > brothers-in- law living. (She was also one of the beneficiaries: for a
> > while I wondered if her income had been secured in some other fashion
> > and he was choosing executors who did not benefit from the will.) This
> > death was in 1859.
>
> Charles Bartholomew died in 1889 leaving seven Turkish baths in various
> towns and cities in England to Bassalissa Harriet Herriott, known, so far,
> only
> to have been a friend.
>
> She was also one of the two executors?the one to whom probate was granted.
> Yet when the will was made in 1883 Bartholomew had two sons, not to
> mention his mother, wife, and a daughter alive (all of whom received
> annuities).
>
> While, like Sally?s instance above, this was a will made by a man rather
> than (as
> required in the original posting) by a woman, was it not, perhaps, even
> more unusual that a woman should be made an executor by a man?
>
> Malcolm
>
> --
> Malcolm Shifrin
> [log in to unmask]
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>
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> http://www.victorianturkishbath.org/
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>
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>
> be used freely in not-for-profit projects, as can any photographs credited
> Shifrin.
>
> Acknowledgement should be made to Malcolm Shifrin's Victorian Turkish Bath
> website at: www.victorianturkishbath.org/
>
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>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:29:47 -0400
From: Holly Forsythe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Women and wills
In _Middlemarch_ Casaubon appoints Dorothea as executrix of his will;
Celia observes that this will fit in nicely with Dodo's love of projects
and plans.
Hope this helps,
Holly Forsythe, doctoral student, University of Toronto
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:29:58 -0400
From: Holly Forsythe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Unconsummated marriages in fiction
Sheldon Goldfarb wrote:
> Did Casaubon consummate his marriage with Dorothea in _Middlemarch_?
Of course we can't be sure, but one of his motives in choosing a bride
is to create a facsimile of himself--with blood made up of semicolons
and parentheses no doubt.
Hope this helps,
Holly Forsythe, doctoral student, University of Toronto
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:30:03 -0400
From: Holly Forsythe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Nineteenth century fantasy fiction
Ana Maria Garcia Dominguez wrote:
> Can anyone think of couple of fantasy fiction titles from the nineteenth
> century featuring altered states of conscience (dreams, visions, trances,
> etc) in any of the literary genres?.
George MacDonald has already come up, but I'd recommend _The Princess
and the Goblin_ and _The Princess and Curdie_. One can only find/see the
"great big huge grandmother" by refusing to believe that fantasy is just
a dream. In the second book, the king is paralysed by dreams.
BTW, we discussed dreams in realistic fiction a few months back (e.g.
_The Mill on the Floss_). Those msgs should appear in the archives if
you search for "dream." By all means, let me know if you need more help
finding that thread.
Hope this helps,
Holly Forsythe, doctoral student, University of Toronto
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:56:37 -0400
From: Herbert Tucker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: c.19 fantasy
A genre question here. If it's technically a dream, and if the dreamer
when awake inhabits, like Morris's protagonist in News, a low-mimetic
19th-century realist world, then is it fantasy fiction? If not, then Alice
underground is not fantasy, I know, and nobody will want to play any
more. But isn't there a line worth observing between News & Alice on one
hand and Flatland on the other, where there's no dream frame and fantastic
things happen as straight diegesis?
At 09:35 AM 7/2/02 +0000, you wrote:
> While mention has already been made of Bellamy and Abbott it is
> worth noting there are several other utopian fictions (or fantasies)
> that include the trope of the dream or vision that transports the
> narrator to another world (often the future). Morris' News From
> Nowhere gives us the dream version, Bellamy's is more of a
> hypnotic or mesmeric trance, and H.G. Wells, in When The
> Sleeper Wakes employs (rather obviously) the long sleep.
> best wishes
> Martin Willis
> Dept. of English
> UC Worcester
> UK
Herbert Tucker
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:01:27 GMT
From: Martin Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: c.19 fantasy
Re. difference between fantasies?
We could go back to someone like Todorov for help on this useful
distinction that Herbert Tucker calls for. His (formalist) view on
fantasy and the fantastic would tell us first, that Abbott and Morris
are both fantasy, and second, that they are different forms of the
fantastic. Tolkien also talks about different forms in Tree and Leaf
(primary and secondary worlds, if memory serves me right). Morris
is a secondary world fantasy while Abbott a primary world fantasy.
I'm sure there must be more...
best to all
Martin Willis
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:20:52 +0100
From: lee jackson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The expense of oranges
Oranges ... the following links details the author's horror as the low crowd
in the Queen's Theatre munches on their snacks ..
http://www.victorianlondon.org/entertainment/queenstheatre.htm
For prices in the 1890's ...
"And the little orange-girl is sure to be seen quite late at night, standing
outside the places of amusement, and offering her 'sweet oranges; three a
penny, sweet oranges!'"
-- Uncle Jonathan, Walks in and Around London, 1895 (3 ed.)
(http://www.victorianlondon.org/childhood/goodsonstreet.htm)
For price in the 1850s see Mayhew:
"Oranges are bought by the retailers in Duke'splace and in Covent-Garden;
but the costermongers nearly all resort to Duke's-place, and the shopkeepers
to Covent-Garden. They are sold in baskets of 200 or 300; they are also
disposed of by the hundred, a half-hundred being the smallest quantity sold
in Duke's-place. These hundreds, however, number 110, containing 10 double
"hands," a single hand being 5 oranges. The price in December was 2s. 6d.,
3s. 6d., and 4s. the hundred. "
(http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications/mayhew1-3.htm)
Lots more mention of oranges if you search my site. My impression from the
above is they were relatively inexpensive?
regards,
Lee
www.victorianlondon.org
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:16:06 -0400
From: Jonathan Loesberg <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: c.19 fantasy
I haven't read Todorov's book on the Fantastic in some years, but as I
remember, the inaugurating distinction is between the fantastic and the
supernatural. In the fantastic, there is always a doubt as to whether one
has left the real world and that doubt more or less structures the plot. In
the supernatural, the plot simply departs from the world of natural laws If
we follow this distinction, then one could formally say that Nowhere and
Alice belong to the fantastic but Flatland does not. The problem is that
Nowhere and Alice don't really have any doubt about the reality of the
dream, at least within the dream. The dreams may be parallel universes but
they are not universes whose status is uncertain, and in this sense, they
are not the fantastic either. I tend to think of the dreams here as a
technical device, perhaps taken from older forms of dream-vision while
leaving behind the various and changing epistemologies that funded them.
Still, I think Chip Tucker's point is worth pondering further. What was
that element of the plot, even if it was a technical device, doing there?
Jonathan Loesberg
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:27:48 +0100
From: Keith Ramsey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: General Elections
For the period after the 1832 Reform Act, you could try looking at:-
F W S Craig, (British Parliamentary Election Results 1832-1885" (Aldershot,
1989)
F W S Craig, (British Parliamentary Election Results 1835-1918" (Aldershot,
1989)
Keith Ramsey
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:58:24 -0400
From: Stephen Holcombe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: archy meets victoria
Strictly in the interest of furthering the spread of Victoriana, I have
transcribed below a few lines from "archy goes abroad," from _archy and
mehitabel_ by Don Marquis. It's been nearly forty years since I read this
book, and only now do I have some appreciation of the breadth of the
author's learning in both philosophy and literature. Of course, this
learning is put to use in works ostensibly written by a cockroach.
In any event, here are the lines. After spending the night in
Westminster Abbey, archy has spoken of the nocturnal doings of the ghosts of
Henry the VIII and Edward the Black Prince. Then:
one of the most pathetic
sights however
is to see the ghost of queen
victoria going out every
evening with the ghost
of a sceptre in her hand
to find mr lytton strachey
and bean him it seems she beans
him and beans him and he
never knows it
According to the copyright page this was written sometime between 1916
and 1925, presumably after Strachey's _Queen Victoria_ was published in
1921. As an expression of Jazz Age sentiments, in which Victoria is seen as
simultaneously vital and impotent, the passage is both succinct and sly.
Stephen Holcombe
Ph.D. Student
University of Tennessee
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:01:13 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Nursery Alice--illustrations
Caroline,
If you join the <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lewiscarroll">
lewiscarroll mailing list</A> at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lewiscarroll
you'll almost certainly find someone there to answer your question.
Karoline Leach
> I'm hoping that someone on the list can help me. I will be teaching
> Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland in the fall and am using the
> Broadview edition that includes the original Alice's Adventures
> Underground and Nursery Alice which will allow my students to compare the
> different versions. We will also compare the illustrations, but the
> edition does not include the illustrations for Nursery Alice. Does
> anyone on the list know where I can access copies of these illustrations?
> Apparently they were the same as for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland,
> except that there were only 20 and they were coloured. Any help is
> greatly appreciated. With thanks in advance.
> Caroline
>
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:51:24 +1000
From: David Philips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: General Elections
> I have been searching in vain for a list of General Elections in the UK in
> 19C. Can anyone help?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Paul
You can find a list, for 1832-1900 in
Chris Cook & Brendan Keith (ed.) BRITISH HISTORICALO FACTS 1830-1900 (1975)
Chris Cook & John Stevenson (ed.) THE LONGMAN HANDBOOK OF MODERN
BRITISH HISTORY 1714-1980 (1983) gives them from 1832 to 1979.
David Philips
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:33:23 -0400
From: Charles Robinson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Women and wills
I have evidence in line with previous postings: a wife as the executrix of
a husband's will. In this case, it was Emily Jane Ollier [nee Dorrell],
wife of Edmund Ollier [journalist, poet, author of various Cassell's
histories and biographies, son of the Romantic and Victorian publisher
Charles Ollier], who died 19 April 1886 [the will was made 20 March 1886].
Emily was executrix "despite" the fact that Edmund Ollier had brothers and
colleagues who might have acted in that capacity.
I did look in vain for the will of Emily, who died in 1917 in
at Crockerton Road, in Wandsworth. There my Ollier trail stops.
Charles E. Robinson Tel: (302) 831-3654 (with voice mail)
English Department Fax: (302) 831-1586
University of Delaware email: [log in to unmask]
Newark, DE 19716-2537
U.S.A.
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:42:53 -0400
From: Rick Albright <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: c.19 fantasy
I happened to use the Todorov quote in my dissertation recently, so I have
part of it ready to hand: "The fantastic . . . lasts only as long as a
certain hesitation: a hesitation common to reader and character, who must
decide whether or not what they perceive derives from 'reality' as it
exists in the common opinion" (41). Todorov goes on (and I had only
paraphrased this part, I didn't transcribe the direct quotation) to
distinguish between the uncanny and the marvelous. If the supernatural is
involved, then we're in the realm of the marvelous; if not, then we're in
uncanny territory. The fantastic, then, is where the reader is until this
determination has been made, the realm of in-between.
Jonathan Loesberg wrote:
> I haven't read Todorov's book on the Fantastic in some years, but as I
> remember, the inaugurating distinction is between the fantastic and the
> supernatural. In the fantastic, there is always a doubt as to whether one
> has left the real world and that doubt more or less structures the plot.
> In the supernatural, the plot simply departs from the world of natural
> laws If we follow this distinction, then one could formally say that
> Nowhere and Alice belong to the fantastic but Flatland does not. The
> problem is that Nowhere and Alice don't really have any doubt about the
> reality of the dream, at least within the dream. The dreams may be
> parallel universes but they are not universes whose status is uncertain,
> and in this sense, they are not the fantastic either. I tend to think of
> the dreams here as a technical device, perhaps taken from older forms of
> dream-vision while leaving behind the various and changing epistemologies
> that funded them. Still, I think Chip Tucker's point is worth pondering
> further. What was that element of the plot, even if it was a technical
> device, doing there?
>
> Jonathan Loesberg
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:39:37 -0700
From: Jack Kolb <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Louis Jourdan's Dracula
Just a follow-up to previous posts: I got a response from the BBC to my
request for a DVD copy; apparently there's no problem with compatibility
for an American purchaser like me. If anyone's interested in how to order,
write to me privately.
Jack Kolb
Dept. of English, UCLA
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