Well...ahem. As Satan's representative to the list here let me tell
you exactly what bearing it has on the discussion.

None.

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--- Steven Bissell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> John, am I correct in assuming that you have *not* read Lomborg's
> book?
> I haven't, but I guess I'll have to now. If you have not read it,
> how do
> you presume to make such certain judgements about it?
>
> BTW, what in devil does "What was it Jesus said about adultery? Did
> he
> not say that the sin of adultery is enacted in thought? Just
> thinking
> about lying with someone other than one's spouse is adultery." have
> to
> do with anything?
>
> Steven
>
> Do not pretend that conclusions are certain
> which are not demonstrated or demonstrable.
> T. H. Huxley, 1869
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion forum for environmental ethics.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Foster
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:40 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Lomborg, was Re: Patrick Moore
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Lomborg, was Re: Patrick Moore
>
>
> > To summarize here, would you say that your position boils down to
> > trying to keep an open mind Jim?
> >
> > Steve
>
> You mean to say that Jim is having a challenge in keeping his mind
> open?
> I did not know until now that 'keeping the mind open' required any
> volition or motivation.
>
> I don't have to try to keep my mind open because there is nothing
> conflicting with my mind, other than my body which is telling me
> sometimes to go to sleep and to eat. Actually my mind is still open
> even
> when I am sleeping - I seem to dream a lot.
>
> Actually to take a 'position' is a form of closing the mind. For
> instance, the argument regarding the spurious reasoning reflecting
> of
> the position by Lomborg. He says lets give the bucks to the
> developing
> nation that we would be spending on stopping climate change. Really
> this
> is an arguement with only "EMOTIONAL" support. There is no way that
> developed nations are going to give all that money (even if it was
> possible to estimate the cost) to an 'underserving' source. The
> reason
> is that nations have internal and domestic
> priorities: highways, schools, and health. There is no way that
> large
> amounts of money are just going to flow out of the public purse
> without
> some pretty strong opposition.
>
> But hey you want to feel good when you read Lomborg's book and that
> is
> what you pay for when you buy his book. You are buying an a type
> navel
> gazing antidote to reality which you want. You don't want to know
> the
> facts, except the favourable facts to your headace as a consumer
> and
> producer; you just want to feel good, and no worry about any more
> problems looming up.
>
> Just give the money that would be spent on cleaning up the air and
> water
> to developing nations. This would make us all feel really good. We
> just
> don't need that money sitting there and being gobbled up by public
> health and public education. Right?
>
> If it feels really good, then you don't even need to do it. You
> just
> have to think it and read it.
>
> What was it Jesus said about adultery? Did he not say that the sin
> of
> adultery is enacted in thought? Just thinking about lying with
> someone
> other than one's spouse is adultery.
>
> The problem with the implausible is that we have to think the
> implausible to assuage our own guilt. Lets just give away all this
> money
> which could be spent to protect the environment....but the reality
> is
> that we never will as developed nations because we have our own
> 'third
> world' sectors: poor families, poor children, toxic waste sites, et
> cetera....crime...to mention some obvious areas where funding is
> needed.
>
>
> chao
>
> john foster


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