Dear Kyran,
I'd just like to remind you that Kevin Owen is a
scientologist who has on previous occasions gotten
this entire list in an uproar. The best way to
respond is not to respond. And don't be offended
because of his bias.
Regards,
Sue Kaiser
--- Martin Dawes <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> I would like to support kyran's plea for more 'e'
> and less anecdote on this
> list. re "When a doctor tells a patient it is all in
> his mind" - what
> evidence is there that doctors say anything of the
> sort to patients. If
> there is evidence that health professionals are
> using this sort of language
> then we should know about it. However in the UK GP's
> for 20 years have been
> taught to be patient centred and this sort of
> pejorative statement is
> upsetting.
>
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> in the last two weeks -
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Communication of diagnoses
>
>
> > Kevin Owen makes strange comments that offend me
> as a practitioner
> > who tries hard to be patient centred. I also
> object to proselitizing
> > links - unless you would like me to link to the
> Vatican, Lambeth Palace or
> > the Golden Temple at Amritza?
> > Lets keep the list focussed on EBH and research
> related problems, its what
> > it does best.
> >
> > Kyran Farrell
> >
> >
> > >To who it may concern
> > >
> > >When a doctor tells a patient it is all in his
> mind,what he says to the
> > >patient is that the illness or symptoms the
> patient is experiencing are
> > >imaginary
> > >
> > >What he should communicate is that the illness or
> symptoms are not
> imaginary
> >
> > >and infact are generated by the mind [stress] in
> the body [ Psychosomatic
> > >Illness]
> > >http://www.smi.org/lrh/index.htm
> > >
> > >He should also tell the patient that becuse
> he[the Doctor] puts a label
> on
> >
> > >some symptoms,it doesn't automatically mean it is
> a
> > >disease.Abberation [stress]can cause a thousand
> different symptoms,none
> of
> >
> > >them being diseases,only results of abberration.
> > >http://www.cchr.org/fraud/eng/page12.htm
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >[log in to unmask]
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "A Rashidian" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:39 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Communication of diagnoses
> > >
> > >
> > >> Andrew,
> > >>
> > >> Another point is how patients do interpret the
> communication. Doctor
> (or
> >
> > >> other health professional) may discuss
> certainty and uncertainty at the
> > >> same time. But it is important to know if it is
> capable of starting a
> > >> real communication which is understandable by
> the patient.
> > >>
> > >> There is also a systematic review of risk
> communication interventions
> in
> >
> > >> health care, that you may be aware of. Apart
> from the topic, they used
> a
> >
> > >> meta-regression approach for data analysis
> which is interesting. This
> is
> >
> > >> the citation:
> > >>
> > >> Edwards A, Hood K, Matthews E, Russell D,
> Russell I, Barker J et al.
> The
> >
> > >> effectiveness of one-to-one risk-communication
> interventions in health
> > >> care: a systematic review. Medical Decision
> Making 2000;20:290-7.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> Arash
> > >> --
> > >> Arash Rashidian, MD
> > >> Health Services Research Scholar
> > >> Department of Health Sciences and Clinical
> Evaluation
> > >> Alcuin College, University of York
> > >> York, YO10 5DD, UK
> > >> Tel: +44 (0)1904 434498
> > >> Mobile: +44 (0)7786323559
> > >> Fax: +44 (0)1904 434517
> > >> http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~ar130/
>
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