Kevin,
I didn't think of it that way, but it is a good point. Actually, I was
driving home the other day from work, and thought that perhaps the DPT is a
catalyst to change our practice environment.
It is also interesting to see the different perceptions between people in
different countries, as the PT education and environment differ from place
to place.
Henry*** writing from sunny Brisbane while watching Jerry Springer.
>From: "k.reese" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: - for physiotherapists in education and practice
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: DPT
>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:00:02 +0100
>
>Dear Henry
>
>I understand your sentiment and agree with it but there are a couple of
>things I would like to clarify.
>
>Your definition of environment, only medical referrals, health insurance
>etc, is not everyones perception. In the UK physios have many different
>referral sources, including self and in many situations do receive a great
>deal of esteem and credit from other professionals eg GP and Consultant.
>Sure the ocassional nutter is upsetting but positive feedback is just as
>forthcoming.
>
>We change the environment by our education, GPs and Consultants do not
>understand MACP or MAPA, they do MSc and Phd, it is this increased
>educational standing which enhances our reputation and changes our
>environment and practice for the better.
>
>As regards to the opposition we should not worry about them. If our game is
>good enough it should be them doing the worrying.
>
>Your observations are not too far of the mark, the changes will come from
>the thing you place less emphasis on; CPD/education.
>
>Regards Kevin Reese PT UK
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Henry Tsao <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:41 AM
>Subject: Re: DPT
>
>
> > I believe progressing our professional education to the next level is a
>good
> > thing. I think what the biggest problem facing DPT is the fact that the
> > environment in which we practice in has not changed. No matter how much
> > education or clinical rotations we do, we still come into the same
>medical
> > environment. Unless this environment changes in the long run, there is
>not
> > going to be a difference seen by people between DPT, MPT and PT.
> >
> > Henry***
> >
> >
> > >From: [log in to unmask]
> > >Reply-To: - for physiotherapists in education and practice
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Raising the bar
> > >Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:24:25 -0400
> > >
> > >Doug:
> > >
> > >Thank you for clarifying your statement. Also you might want to
>clarify
> > >that the total time of clinical rotation is 6 months, not the final
> > >clinical rotation. The final rotation should be around 6 months
>though,
> > >but there are problems here too (see below). I agree that we should
>raise
> > >the bar, I'm just not sure that a title of "doctor" is needed. I do
> > >understand that the next level in the heirarchy of education is the
> > >doctorate though. I hope I'm not coming across as "sour grapes." I
>have
> > >seen so many students that just can't think at a level that we should
> > >expect from our graduating class. Raising the bar in our clinical
> > >education should occur. This requires several steps. Why don't we
> > >concentrate on this first? First of all we need a tool that is more
> > >objective in measuring students progress. We also need clinical
> > >instructors who are qualified at teaching and grading these students.
> > >
> > >I think we should even set up specific specialities, GP, Peds, Neuro,
> > >Ortho, etc.. for the entry level. Not that they would have to earn a
> > >specialty certification but perhaps title themselves as a General
>Practice
> > >PT, Pediatric PT, Neuro PT, Orthopedic PT, etc.. My reasoning for
>doing
> > >this is that it would allow the student to train and become more of an
> > >expert if so desired and this could produce a better product.
> > >
> > >All in all though progress is going forward on many fronts and that is
> > >great! Progress is slow as should be expected. I would just like to
>see
> > >it thought out well for our future.
> > >
> > >Sincerely,
> > >Patrick Zerr
> > >www.apluspt.com
> > >
> > >- for physiotherapists in education and practice
><[log in to unmask]>
> > >wrote:
> > > > Allow me to clarify my earlier posting. I did not mean to imply most
>PT
> > >programs offer the DPT. What I was saying was of those that offer the
>DPT
> > >most are at entry level.
> > >
> > >Currently, according to CAPTE, ~45-50% of US PT programs are offering
>the
> > >DPT or converting to the DPT. Many of those programs are offering a
>tDPT
> > >(transitional.) Similar to when all other professions transitioned to a
> > >"doctor" there is a period when you have to bring the rest of the
> > >profession
> > >up to the same credential. In 10-15 years I think most of the public
>will
> > >not be aware that PTs were not DPTs for a long time.
> > >
> > >Clinical education is not standardized yet. Most of the programs I am
> > >familiar with have a minimum of 6 months clinical education. Comparing
> > >clinical education to MDs is a little apples and oranges. There are
>many
> > >"doctors" and many types of practical educational experiences.
> > >
> > >Collegially yours,
> > >
> > >Douglas M. White, PT, OCS
> > >
> > >
> > >Dave Riddell asked how many hours are required for clinical rotations.
> > >
> > >I am not an expert on school accreditation but, I know that most
>require
>a
> > >final rotation of 16 weeks, 40 hours per week. Often though, these
> > >rotations are divided into 2 or 3 different settings. Now if you want
>to
> > >compare this to a physicians clinical rotation it is much different.
>So,
> > >that's why I'mnot sure why we are really wanting to call ourselves
> > >"doctors"
> > >which conotates the same training as physicians.
> > >
> > >Also, Douglas White mentioned that most US PT programs are DPT's. I
>don't
> > >think that is the case although several are converting. Then that
>raises
> > >the issue in the public's eye of what is the difference between a
>Doctor
>of
> > >Physical Therapy and a Physical Therapist. Atleast when we converted
>from
> > >BS to MS degrees for PT's we didn't have this problem.
> > >
> > >Sincerely,
> > >Patrick Zerr
> > >www.apluspt.com
> >
> >
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