lables bloody lables,
whilst not disputing the need to identify and therefore remedy problems and
difiucultys the fact is that so many of these lables are negative, involving
words like disability and impairment, whereby in order to distinguish that a
thing were an impairment, they unconciosly set the standard by which the
impairment is measured, I do not doubt that the peron applying the lable
considers themselves in a superior power relationship toward the labled one.
However cynic that I am, I also suppose that even were the neutral term
difference, or divergence adopted, the overwhelmeing perception of that word
would become negative too,
On another list, I said in reply to a labling debate that I prefered to self
define as a divergent thinker, and some moron (oh dear a lable and an
insulting one at that) implied that I were suggesting this should be an
official medical dx, the very thing I am trying to get away from.
Larry
I'm Laurentius, Laurentius, Laurentius Autisticus, apologies to the late Ian
Dury.
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Laurence
> Bathurst
> Sent: 15 May 2001 02:12
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: response to Rosemary Pryor
>
>
> Hello Andy
>
> I am very open to alternative approaches to my interpretation which is:
>
> Intellectual disability indicates what some people in various nations call
> "mental retardation". In, Australia, the term is sometimes interchanged
> with the term "developmental disability". I believe "intellectual
> disability" is used to distinguish whether a person who has a
> developmental
> disability has a congenital cognitive impairment (or an
> impairment acquired
> in childhood) which affects learning and thus adaptive skills for
> independent living (or intellectual) development. The term distinguishes
> people with a cognitive impairment (of this type) and people who have, for
> instance, cerebral palsy or spina bifida where the impairment is primarily
> a physical one. Of course, people can have a combination of both physical
> and "intellectual" disabilities (impairment).
>
> I assume the extra label is largely due to the different type of support
> requirements that are specific to the nature of impairment. And yes, I
> know we all have different support requirements.
>
> Different again is another category of "learning disability" or "learning
> difficulty". I only have a very loose interpretation of this and would
> welcome any corrections. In Australia, the term is used to denote a
> particular type of impairment that effects learning such as dyslexias and
> ADHD which affect learning (but not with the same level or type of support
> required by someone with an intellectual disability).
>
> Of course, many people have combinations of all the above. A child who
> acquired an intellectual impairment as a result of meningitis may
> also have
> ADHD. So might a child who has a congenital physical
> developmental disability.
>
> Why do we need all these categories?...why label people? I dunno. As bad
> as it all sounds, homogeneity sounds just as bad.
>
>
>
> At 01:23 AM 15/05/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> > I guess many of us go through these forum messages and think how some
> >messages reflect on issues around one's own personal
> environment. I really
> >hate this term "intellectual disabilities" what category of
> people is that?
> >As for the rest I shudder to think! I have AD/HD and severe
> dyslexia along
> >with physical impairment. I have been a disability activist
> since 4 years
> >of age. As child locked up in mental institution considered
> useless! Now
> >I'm a parent with child of AD/HD how to I relate to this type of message?
> >
> >I'm not normally lost for words but am now!
> >
> >Andy
> >www.hi2u.org
> >Hi2u 4 people with hidden impairments
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Rosemary Pynor" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:04 AM
> >Subject: Re: response to Rosemary Pryor
> >
> >
> > > To all the parents of people with intellectual disabilities,
> > >
> > > I was not referring to you when I made my comments about parents
> > > controlling the adendas in support groups. I was referring to
> groups where
> > > adults with the condition have the intellectual capacity to
> run their own
> > > lives. Many physical disabilities with childhood onset are a case in
> >point.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Dear Felicity,
> > > >
> > > >With 31 years of being the parents of an intellectualy
> disabled daughter
> > > >behind us, in our mid sixties and with no relief in sight,
> my wife and I
> >are
> > > >two of the thousands of empirical examples of what you write
> about. Of
> > > >course we want the best for our daughter, of course we want an
> >environment
> > > >where her physical, emotional and psychological needs are
> taken care of,
> >one
> > > >that will survive us.
> > > >
> > > >However, while government neglects its responsibility to and
> on behalf of
> > > >the community it represents, parents will continue toprovide the best
> > > >environment and quality of life they can to their sons and
> daughters, for
> >as
> > > >long as they can and at the direct expense of their own.
> > > >
> > > >As my friend Dianne observed: "why do we (parents) have to work so
> > > >incredibly hard for so little, and then have to be grateful as well?"
> > > >
> > > >Amen to that. rgds John
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Felicity Maddison" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:58 AM
> > > >Subject: response to Rosemary Pryor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Dear Rosemary,
> > > >Parents who have sons and daughters with an intellectual
> disability are
> >most
> > > >likely to experience, due to the lack of supports available in the
> > > >community, a prolongation of, and continuance in, their intensive
> >parenting
> > > >role well beyond the years generally accepted by the broader
> community.
> >It
> > > >is the parents who are expected to provide
> support,physically,emotionally
> > > >and financially. They are very much stakeholders and
> > > >societal/governmentexpectation appears to be that if their
> offspring with
> >a
> > > >disability has a child (with or without a disability) and
> cannot raise
> >that
> > > >child unassisted that it is the family who would take up the
> reins on a
> > > >second involuntary term of intensive parenting. Parents know only too
> >well
> > > >the difficulties experienced in raising a child with a
> disability. Most
> > > >parents want a better life for their children than they have
> had. So why
> > > >would they a) want to their son or daughter to replicate their
> >experiences
> > > >particularly when their offspring's coping mechanisms may not be as
> >finely
> > > >honed as their own and b) line themselves up for a perpetual
> double dose
> >of
> > > >of intensive parenting. There can be virtue in selfishness.
> > > >Regards
> > > >felicity
> > > >
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