This is a message I recieved off-list after my first message.
agree with a lot you say-two further points -can we get back to
basics -what the punters want-my own research and experience
indicate that people want benefits and services as citizens with
rights not as supplicants to voluntary organisations - beyond this
there is the issue of the use made of the voluntary sector by govt-I
ceased involvement on a number of fronts for various reasons but
a core concern was that I did not want to be used as part of a
strategy to dismantle statutory provsion-eileen
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