Plus ca change.
The chapter still elects bishops- but usually only in name. Q.v. some activity in ?Austria ?Switzerland in the past couple of years
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From: Dale R. Streeter [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Monastic chapters
Actually, monastic chapters often did attempt to elect their bishop
(as was the accepted custom for both monastic and secular chapters),
at least in the 14th century, but were often prevented by the king
who usually wanted one of his own men to occupy the office. If such a
monastic election took place (often selecting the prior of the
chapter, but not always), the king (I'm referring to Edward II here)
might request that the pope set the election aside and provide (that
is, appoint) his (the king's) candidate to the see, which the pope
might or might not agree to. both secular and monastic chapters
sought to maintain their right of election but the king insisted on
his right to sanction the episcopal election through the grant of the
congé d'elire.
The monastic chapters in the Province of Canterbury were Canterbury,
Ely, Norwich, Rochester, Winchester, and Worcester and in the
Province of York, Durham and Carlisle. I don't believe Gloucester was
a diocese during this period, although it might have become one later.
By the way, as a matter of interest, the monastic chapters were all
Benedictine except for Carlisle, which was composed of Augustinian
canons.
>Yes, but they are not normally ordained bishop; although some are
>and have their see as the monastery, or a larger see (e.g. Monte
>Olivetti, and an Arch Abbey in Canada, I forget the name)
>
>The monastic cathedrals did not elect the bishop as per the rule,
>but did the prior ( at least officially, many were imposed, for
>election)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marjorie Greene [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 7:22 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Ben's crozier
>
>Luciana,
>Don't abbots have the privilege of mitre and crozier
>as well as bishops?
>
>MG
>
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Dale R. Streeter
Ph.D. Cand.
Department of History
University of Wisconsin-Madison
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