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>From: "Justus L. Uitermark" <[log in to unmask]>
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>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:28:44 +0100
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>Dear list-owners,
>could you forward the message below to the cfg?
>Justus
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>After reading my e-mail in the weekend, I wrote the message below.
>Apparantly, I did not succeed in sending it properly because in am not
>registered under this account with the cgf. In any case, it is one more call
>(in line line with Graham's) to keep debate open, even if that distracts
>people from their work for a second (that's how long it takes to delete a
>message).
>Justus
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>I did not want to get involved in this discussion, but I would like to make
>a couple of remarks to counterbalance the tendency of some to overreact on
>filled mailboxes in general and postings by Paul Treanor in particular.
>Even if Paul's messages are sometimes rude and offensive, I think that
>should not be a reason to reject them altogether. Paul Treanor's postings
>clearly have had some positive effects. The number of reactions shows that
>he provoked the thoughts of many. Some may argue that this is not the
>'right' way to stimulate debate, but I think that there are enough places
>(academic journals) in which formal rules and codes of conduct prevent
>people from saying something shocking or annoying. In a way, the informal,
>ad hoc and provoking comments by Paul make this list a good supplement to
>the established and more formal institutions. Furthermore, after the posting
>of the 'complaints of critical geographers list', the efforts of some
>members of this list (Paul included) contributed to a somewhat more
>constructive discussion. It seems to me that pressing Paul and others to
>engage in debate in such a way as to prevent people from becoming immune for
>postings is a more worthy cause than asking them to go to some other list or
>refrain from any discussion at all. I feel that if Paul would refer more
>often to the pieces in which his thoughts are presented in full would help a
>lot; often we see only the tip of the iceberg. I don't want to say that the
>rest of the iceberg will look any better to most, but at least the number of
>postings could be limited and it is clear that responses to only half of the
>argument is a source of irritation for both Paul and his critics.
>
>I have to say that the reactionary attitude by some members of this list
>made me more worried about the state of affairs in critical geography than
>the allegations made by Paul himself.
>
>Justus
>
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>>From: Graham Gardner <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: Graham Gardner <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Suggestion
>>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:50:27 +0000
>>
>>With all due respect to the sentiments expressed below, it seems that in
>>the absence of one 'strong' figure provoking debate, very few contributions
>>are made to the critical geography forum, apart from job notifications
>>(which are extremely valuable, but are available on other lists) and
>>notifications of anti-WTO demonstrations and the like(which again are
>>valuable, but are often available on other lists). I think that some
>>important issues have been raised and aired by _both_ 'sides' in the
>>ongoing 'Paul Treanor' issue, and that yes, things have got too personal -
>>I'm afraid I stand guilty here, although I don't stand alone - but that
>>this is, after all, supposed to be the 'critical' side of geography. I'm
>>not sure where any lines should be drawn, and I'd welcome comments from
>>anyone else on the list regarding what they actually feel about the last
>>few days - I'm not going to presume to speak for others.
>>
>>Graham Gardner
>>
>>At 04:35 PM 2/23/01 GMT0BST, you wrote:
>> >Vera Chouinard has asked me to forward the following to the list.
>> >
>> >On 22 Feb 2001, at 11:49, Vera Chouinard wrote:
>> >
>> >I'm with Rebekah on establishing a 'people who wish to respond to Paul
>> >Treanor' sub-group or entirely separate list. I have become so tired of
>> >seemingly endless and quite frankly mind-numbing re-hashing of the same
>>(and
>> >personalised) issues that I now simply delete all cgf messages pretty
>>much
>> >automatically. I would bet most listmembers are doing the same which
>>means
>> >that the ab-use of this list by a few is making the list useless for
>>most.
>> >
>> >This is obviously unfair as well as a waste of many people's time.
>> >Sincerely, Vera Chouinard
>> >
>> >Dr Rebekah Widdowfield
>> >Department of City and Regional Planning
>> >Cardiff University
>> >Glamorgan Building
>> >King Edward VII Avenue
>> >Cardiff
>> >CF10 3WA
>> >
>> >
>>Graham Gardner
>>Institute of Geography & Earth Sciences
>>University of Wales
>>Aberystwyth
>>Ceredigion
>>SY23 3DB
>>Wales
>>UK
>>
>>Tel: 0044 (0)1970 622606
>>Fax: 0044 (0)1970 622659
>>E-mail: [log in to unmask]
>>
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