I take Cathy's point but on the other hand I do also think
there is a case (depending upon the specific composition of
staff/delivery etc) for taking tourism out of Business
Schools, and perhaps in some cases creating entirely
separate tourism/leisure/sports/hospitality faculties. I
think they would be perfectly able to draw students. When
I worked at Derby these were always the first courses to
fill up (ex-colleagues might suggest if this is still the
case!). On another point, it might be that a better
understanding of motivation and behaviour could increase
business efficiency/revenue, but, I would strongly resist
this as a rationale as it implicitly accepts the validity
of a liberal capitalist worldview. Surely the role of HE
(disciplines aside) is to create a space in which dominant
paradigms/worldviews can be challenged? All the best, Raoul
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:54:20 +0100 [log in to unmask]
wrote:
> > Yes I agree my students also enjoy our core level 2 anthropology module
> > (society, culture & tourism) and in response to demand a colleague has
> > introduced an elective on Photography, travel & visual culture. I think
> > separating tourism from a business school may be missing the point. I
> > think anthropologically minded/ experienced individuals in business
> > schools have to make the case for the relevance of anthropology by
> > fighting their corner...which may not be easy as Raoul indicates. This for
> > me is not just convincing individual schools/ departments but the higher
> > echelons from Deans upwards. What we need to show is how a better
> > understanding of motives, behaviour etc can increase business efficiency/
> > revenue. I often find myself aiming my publications at both management
> > and social science journals - one to increase awareness of the relevance
> > of social science to business and the other to satisfy my personal
> > interests/ focus (if that makes sense!).
> >
> > (You could take this further and say that the more we as tourism scholars
> > publish in generic journals - mgt or social science (as well as tourism
> > journals) the more we highten awareness of TOURISM as a significant area.
> > This can only assist us when putting in funding bids for such as the
> > British Academy / ESRC (in the UK).
> >
> > Just a few thoughts on this sunny day as I sit on my yatch in the
> > Caribbean watching the world go by....just a joke I'm in Eastbourne
> > really!!
> >
> > Bye
> >
> > Cathy
> > Dr Catherine Palmer,
> > MA Course Leader,
> > School of Service Management,
> > University of Brighton,
> > 49 Darley Road,
> > Eastbourne,
> > UK.
> >
> > tel: +44 (0)1273 643629/ 06
> > fax: +44 (0) 1273 643949
> > e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > ----------
> > From: Neil Carr
> > Reply To: Neil Carr
> > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2001 4:33 am
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: thought for the month!
> >
> > Couldn't agree more with Raoul, those students I have taught on
> > anthro,
> > socio, and geog issues in relation to tourism and leisure seem to
> > enjoy
> > these courses, probably even more than the pure (whatever that
> > means)
> > business courses. The question we maybe should therefore be
> > addressing is
> > whether tourism and leisure is best located within business schools?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Raoul Bianchi
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: 7/06/01 4:32
> > Subject: Re: thought for the month!
> >
> > Dear Cathy and all discussants:
> >
> > I have my head buried in an immense marking load so I
> > haven't got time for a detailed response. Anyway, Neil and
> > others raise a very pertinent 'political' issue at a time
> > when Business Schools across the UK (and elsewhere?) are
> > looking to increase their market share of students in the
> > context of 'scarce' funding and a squeeze on resources.
> > Here at UNL we have long been active in promoting an
> > inter-disciplinary approach (both in teaching and research)
> > in the fields of leisure and tourism but are increasingly
> > under pressure to emphasise 'mangement' in parts of the
> > curriculum, given that the powers that be see it as
> > 'relevant' to business needs etc. I don't have any quick
> > answers to this dilemma and indeed I welcome the comments
> > so far. However, I would add that many of our students
> > emphasise how much they enjoy studying tourism from an
> > anthropological and sociological perspective, perhaps they
> > need to be heard more? I think also the work of Daniel
> > Miller and others speaks volumes about the contribution of
> > anthropology to an understanding of the worlds of commerce
> > and trade.
> >
> > Raoul
> >
> > On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:11:41 +0100 [log in to unmask]
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > Whilst there are many anthropologists who contribute to business
> > in a
> > > consultancy capacity I am also very interesting in this
> > discussion in
> > so
> > > far as it relates to anthropology in a business school/
> > University
> > > environment. I think sometimes it is hard for those of us
> > interested
> > in the
> > > application/ relevance of anthropology because if we work in a
> > business
> > > school we tend to be out numbered (there's those figures again!)
> > by
> > > colleagues who take a more quantitative/ survey approach to
> > business
> > issues.
> > > In a way we need to highlight more the relevance of and the
> > contribution
> > > that anthropological perspectives can make to business issues.
> > > Particularly, in terms of ethnography as a method of
> > investigation.
> > How much
> > > more valuable would a set of statistics be with an idea of what
> > the
> > people
> > > behind them really thought? This is not to replace the statistics
> > in
> > every
> > > case but rather to add value to them. Here in Brighton one of our
> > Tourism
> > > mgt undergraduates has just completed his final year dissertation
> > on
> > the
> > > effectiveness of a particular airline's cabin crew training
> > programme. His
> > > approach was solely ethnographic. Overt participant observation,
> > interviews
> > > with trainees/ trainers/ managers, diaries/ notes etc and he was
> > very
> > lucky
> > > to get the access from the airline as they saw his approach as
> > beneficial to
> > > them. Maybe those of us keen to advance this area in Business
> > Schools
> > need
> > > to try & get the students interested in such methods, a sort of
> > bottom
> > up
> > > approach that will generate awareness of such approaches/
> > methods.
> > >
> > > Bye for now
> > >
> > > Cathy
> > >
> > > Dr Catherine Palmer,
> > > MA Course Leader,
> > > School of Service Management,
> > > University of Brighton,
> > > 49 Darley Road,
> > > Eastbourne, BN20 7UR
> > > United Kingdom.
> > >
> > > tel: +44(0)1273-643616/ 643629
> > > fax: +44(0)1273-643949
> > > e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From: Neil Carr
> > > > Reply To: Neil Carr
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2001 1:35 am
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: FW: thought for the month!
> > > >
> > > > I apologise now if everyone has seen these messages, but I think
> > they were
> > > > only sent to me. I am forwarding them to the list because I hope
> > that a
> > > > lot
> > > > of what the messages say will be of interest to all list
> > members.
> > Also,
> > > > I'd
> > > > like to say thanks to all the people who responded to my
> > comments. I
> > would
> > > > agree that anthropology does have a role to play (a very
> > important
> > one) in
> > > > tourism and leisure management, but I would still agrue that
> > with
> > > > particular
> > > > reference to leisure, anthropology is a side issue at best.
> > > >
> > > > Also, in relation to the message from Pete Burns via Cathy
> > palmer
> > > > (geographers note that questions will be asked about these
> > directions at
> > > > the
> > > > end!) I applaud the attempt to get people thinking about
> > qualitative
> > data
> > > > rather than focusing on numbers that all too often are rather
> > meaningless.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Neil
> > > >
> > > > Dr Neil Carr
> > > > School of Tourism and Leisure Management
> > > > The University of Queensland
> > > > 11 Salisbury Road
> > > > Ipswich
> > > > Qld 4305
> > > > Australia
> > > > Tel: +61 7 3381 1319
> > > > Fax: +61 7 3381 1012
> > > > Email: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Owner of tourismanthropology discussion group
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Tony van Beek [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2001 6:23
> > > > To: Neil Carr
> > > > Subject: Re: thought for the month!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Dr. Carr,
> > > > I have been on the tourismamthropology list serve for a few
> > years
> > now but
> > > > have not responded to any issues, although I have enjoyed
> > reading
> > many of
> > > > the interesting topics that have been discussed. Your thought
> > for
> > the
> > > > month
> > > > intrigued me enough to write. I truly believe that
> > anthropological
> > > > thought
> > > > is being pushed aside by business issues. Here in Canada, even
> > humanities
> > > > courses and degrees are being pushed aside by government
> > cutbacks.
> > I can
> > > > say this with conviction since my own situation (academic and
> > personal)
> > > > has
> > > > been drastically affected by these cutbacks. This is not to
> > mention
> > the
> > > > minimal number of positions available with an anthropology
> > degree
> > compared
> > > > with a business degree.
> > > >
> > > > To comment on the second part of your question, I think that
> > anthropology
> > > > definitely has something to contribute to tourism. In my own
> > research, I
> > > > have encountered two completely divergent thought processes
> > between
> > an
> > > > anthropological approach and a "management" approach. While
> > anthropology
> > > > seeks a primary understanding, the business goal always seems to
> > be
> > a
> > > > "means
> > > > to an end" approach no matter the consequences.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for allowing me a forum to voice an opinion.
> > > > Margit J. Horvath BA, MA
> > > > (Alumni of Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Ontario,
> > Canada)
> > > > - And presently sadly underemployed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 04:54 PM 6/1/01 +1000, Neil Carr wrote:
> > > > >Sorry I can't manage more frequent thoughts, but here goes with
> > my
> > latest
> > > > >attempt to stir the pot (if you think you can do better then
> > feel
> > free to
> > > > >try).
> > > > >
> > > > >Does anthropology matter in tourism anymore. There are at least
> > two
> > > > issues
> > > > >here, firstly as I sit in a dept with management in the title
> > in a
> > > > business
> > > > >faculty I wonder how much issues such as anthropology are being
> > pushed to
> > > > >one side by business issues (can the two be seperated).
> > Secondly,
> > do
> > > > >anthropological researchers have anything to give to the area
> > of
> > tourism
> > > > >management. Indeed, why stop there, what role, if any, does
> > anthropology
> > > > >have to play in the area of leisure and recreation management.
> > > > >
> > > > >Have a nice day
> > > > >
> > > > >Neil
> > > > >
> > > > >Dr Neil Carr
> > > > >School of Tourism and Leisure Management
> > > > >The University of Queensland
> > > > >11 Salisbury Road
> > > > >Ipswich
> > > > >Qld 4305
> > > > >Australia
> > > > >Tel: +61 7 3381 1319
> > > > >Fax: +61 7 3381 1012
> > > > >Email: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >Owner of tourismanthropology discussion group
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > **
> > > > **
> > > > *
> > > > Sunshine makes the day better!
> > > >
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> > Centre for Leisure & Tourism Studies
> > Stapleton House
> > University of North London
> > 277-281 Holloway Road
> > London N7 8HN
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Centre for Leisure & Tourism Studies
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University of North London
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