on 26/12/01 1:55 pm, John Carley at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Hi Sally, the zip is intended as an English language analogue to the
> Japanese 'teikei haiku' - 'fixed form brief stanza', this is the classic
> haiku so frequently, and dubiously, construed as a three line poem of five,
> seven and five syllables. Rules etc for the 'zip' and some examples by
> poets of various nationalities are at www.villarana.freeserve.co.uk follow
> the buttons that say 'frogfest' and 'zip'. Alternatively there's an article
> in issue one of World Haiku Review archived at
> http://www.worldhaikureview.org
>
> In issue three there is an article on the 1930's Japanese poet Hisajo
> containing transaltions of her poetry by Debra Woolard Bender (US) and Eiko
> Yachimoto (JP). Each poem appears as a free-style tercet (currenlty the
> most common form of the haiku in English) and as a 'zip'. The article is,
> in my opinion, a work of genius.
>
> Zips have appeared in some to the most prestigious international haiku
> publications. By contrast some specialist editors consider the poems to be
> concrete English verse (only) and will not touch them. It's a good argument
> for those persons enamoured of angels and pin heads.
>
> Every good wish, John
>
Thanks very much for taking the trouble, John. Much as I said to Gary, I've
never thought 3-line haiku really made out in English and you may have a
better alternative here.
In my trial pieces was concentrating on very close descriptions of
particulars, wanting to kind of catch bits of reality in words, perhaps I'll
have lines or couplets (I've now got ten lines) for my long forest poems
rather than zips from them, but I'll follow through your web references.
Sally-ee.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sally Evans" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 25 December 2001 15:53
> Subject: New sub: forest zips
>
>
> forest hillside in the snow
> unseen guest sika deer slots
>
>
> russet bracken on the slope
> oak leaves turn from brown to grey
>
>
> Ho folks! Question one is : are these zips? because I never heard of zips
> before. Do they obey zip rules?
>
> Question two is, what you supposed to do with them? Frame them on the wall?
>
> Sally-ee
> http://www.poetryscotland.co.uk
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