Oh yes Gar, yes! that and all of it and more! Pedestals must be very lonely
places, with no room to move about and no room to grow.
Just occurs to me -- suppose the original title that's engendered this
discussion had been 'The Ladies Who Gave Me Poetry'. With all due respect to
the scholarly interpolations of Vera and Steve, what sort of poems would we
all have expected from that, I wonder?
Joanna
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Cooper <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: The Women who gave me Poetry
> Yeh Roger,
> But I'm not really awake yet... and I've just thought opposites. I know I
> wouldn't like to be addressed as a "gentleman" (I'd be very tempted to
reply
> that the only other gentlemen I know are where men go to piss.).
> Like "shards" and "gossamer" I guess "ladies" is still a Talibanned word
in
> my vocabularised world.
> Bob
>
>
>
> >From: Roger Collett <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: The Women who gave me Poetry
> >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 06:50:26 -0000
> >
> >As the one who, in a slightly silly mood, set off this discussion:
> >
> >I agree with Joanna's sentiments but, obviously, from a male point of
view.
> >I dislike female persons who put on airs and graces and expect to be
> >revered
> >by men purely because of their gender. (Victoriana in extremis). I expect
> >to
> >judge people on their own merits and not on assumed conventions. Hence my
> >statement. I repeat, give me a woman every time.
> >
> >Roger.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "garydawg" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:27 AM
> >Subject: Re: re The Women who gave me Poetry
> >
> >
> >Joanna:
> >What gets me about these appellations is the feeling that you
> >daren't call a female person anything but a lady for fear of giving
> >offence.
> >I have no time for the sort of person who would take such offence. And
> >speaking for myself, I'm far more likely to feel offended if people
assume
> >I'm going to stand on an imaginary dignity to that extent.
> >
> >*
> >
> >You would think in this day and age, we would understand every woman is a
> >bit of everything: Woman, lady, child, parent, goddess, seductress,
> >oracle,
> >witch, et al...even "seamstress."
> >
> >And thereby more often a surprise than not.
> >
> >Gary
> >
> >
> >November with Janet from Oz at:
> >http://gardawg.homestead.com/homestead.html,
> >
> >Submissions: http://www.writershood.com/index.html
> >
> >Poets for Peace. ˇPoemas sí, balas no!
>
>
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