M. McCarthy wrote.. See W Whittakker reply below


 Toni et al...Warren Whittaker and Lindsay Knight's system has been
variously the subject of interest, adulation, speculation, derision and
considerable disquiet here in Australia for many years now, especially given
that the proponents have recently claimed to have located and identified
two highly significant WWII wrecks from an aircraft based on the ship's
metallographic constituents. They have also   reported  'sensing' human
bones, coal,  an aircraft propeller etc. on these sites. While they claim
that the propeller is metallic, I am advised that it is wooden, however.

While publicly expressing my grave concerns at the history and public effect
of these claims, (which relate to HMAS Sydney and its adversary HSK
Kormoran) and which  have antecedents that date back well over a decade) I
have deferred as a non-scientist and referred them to a scientific committee
led by Jeremy Green at the coming HMAS Sydney seminar on 16 November. This
is coordinated by Dr David Stevens and it is an analytical tool in the
location of the wreck of HMAS Sydney II.

There the claims will be analysed purely from a scientific perspective,
obviating the effect of any like myself who have for historical reasons
little faith in the reports. I also understand that  Warren and lindsay have
tabled a substantial  report of their finding and its scientific base to
that committee  through  Dr Stevens.

Remembering well the story of the man who laughed at Wilkinson when he
advised he was to build a boat of iron, 'for iron does not float',  I
invited the group to perform a series of 'blind' tests administered by us or
another related  institution a year or so ago.  Though there was agreement
on the need for this step, the proponents have not yet been forthcoming,
though they advise they did find one wreck, the SS Cambewarra and identified
coal emanations from it. While making no implied or inherent criticism of
the proponent's honesty or veracity, given that the position of the site is
in the public domain, the test was not considered satisfactory proof of the
effectiveness of the system for that reason. I still await their attendance
at a supervised trial.

I  am also awaiting the results of the 16 November Seminar  and the
Scientific Committee's analyses of the system and would like to be proved
wrong in my beliefs, as would most of the navies of the world, who would
obviously covet a system such as this which is claimed to be capable of
locating from the air submerged wrecks even those lying in great depth.

I have cc'd this to Warren and the organiser of the coming seminar Dr David
Stevens so he can disseminate it to the various committees at the coming
forum. I  have also appended your original inquiry below so that  Warren and
Lindsay can deal direct.



Mack

 Warren Whitakker wrote

Dear Dr McCarthy,

The Web site referred to is our KDLS web site.  It has not been updated to
reflect recent work but it contains information on the KDLS.

For up to date information, please refer to our submission to the Seminar.
The
submission includes Lindsay Knight's paper "Direct Location Technology" and
14
testimonials.  Jeremy Green should have a copy.  (I do not
have an electronic copy).

Lindsay does NOT claim he found several deep water wrecks.  The wrecks found
by
KDLS are in shallow water and the location has been verified by other means.

Depth in the ocean is not a problem.  KDLS has been used in the Oil Industry
for
many years.  The depth and composition of sedimentary rocks and hydrocarbons
can
be measured with great accuracy up to depths of 5,000 metres and the results
have been verified by drilling.

Please pass to Toni Carrell et al.

Warren.

Michael McCarthy wrote:
>
> Warren....From Toni Carrell.. Toni Carrell <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> I have recently stumbled across a web site on a remote sensing instrument
> that claims to be able to locate minerals and other compounds in very small
> concentrations (parts per billion) or large masses of materials, such as oil
> fields or mineral concentrations.  The principal use of this system to date
> has been for oil and gas exploration, minerals exploration, and
> environmental cleanup monitoring.  They also claim to be able to detect
> shipwrecks from airborne surveys at 5,000 feet to a distance of 50 nautical
> miles.
>
> The system uses the principle of electron spin resonance to detect elements
> and compounds.  According to their web page, after tuning the instrument, if
> the desired substance is present (iron or coal, for example) in the ground
> or in the water at any depth, the micro energy (above background) from the
> resonating target is detected by their system.  In addition to other things,
> using this system they claim to have found several very deep water
> shipwrecks.
>
> Is anyone out there familiar with this system?  With this company?  With
> this process?
> Their web page is at http://albury.net.au/~kipl/
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.  Feel free to reply directly to me or via
> this list.
>
> Regards,
> Toni Carrell

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