In computing too, Roger? My almost last illusion has fallen.

Thank G-d for stupid poets!

Best

Dave


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----- Original Message -----
From: "roger day" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Back on Planet Earth


Certainly in computing in the UK, you've pretty much described what it
takes.

Roger.
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From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 00:19
Subject: Re: Back on Planet Earth


> I hardly know what to say about your post, Erminia, I am choking with rage
> at what it seems to imply. It's ok then that people live on the streets,
> because they're stupid, it's an equation then between job and social
success
> and intelligence (news to me: I thought job success in most industries was
> to do with being an unscrupulous lying manipulative scheming bastard,
> perhaps some technical industries excepted, where people have to know what
> they're talking about. Like engineering. But I'm not sure about that)
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> David Bircumshaw
>
> Leicester, England
>
> Home Page
>
> A Chide's Alphabet
>
> Painting Without Numbers
>
> www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erminia Passannanti" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Back on Planet Earth
>
>
> >> Sorry, Candice, but when did I do that? I was talking about certain
> >> qualities in relation to the +pursuit of writing poetry+, the folly,
the
> >> stupidity of a love for it, but I wasn't making an aesthetic out of it.
> I'd
> >> return to the Eliotic reference, the need for poets to be both
extremely
> >> sophisticated and extremely primitive, I translate this as clever and
> Dave
>
>
> It is necessary to be neat and exact here: stupidity is no synonymous of
> folly, David. Far from it. It is inapplicable to the intellectual
> application of men's genius to poetry writing. Leave alone the poor
> dispossessed sized by stupidity, who roam around in the street, unlooked
> after by the State.
>
> Streets are overwhelmed with "stupid" and stupified people which will not
> recover from their condition (being stupidity  irreversible), who will
> never be successful in life, let alone have a job and money to survive.
> Let's not be vague, here. I bet none of you would really wish for oneself
> the condition of being "stupid". The same I hope you wish for your
children.
> Neither do I think you can ever attribute stupidity to poetry (maybe you
> mean Carnival-esque folly, in the Bakhtin's sense of " light-heartedness
".
>
> I think in the English speaking world, little children in the schools from
> nursery to secondary are constantly called  with the epithet "of Studio
> (don't be silly, Joe, don't' be stupid, Jane) as to root in them the
> stable  belief that, in fact, Ban adult thinks he is stupid it is because
> they really are stupid...In my own country, if in a school, a teacher
calls
> a child "stupid", in private or in public,  the parents are entitled to
> take the teacher  to court for having intended to fabricate
> a "psychological damage" into their  child's mind.
>
>
>
> Erminia
> One has to research ointo the actual emaning of words before uttering it
to
> define one's and other people's status.
>
> I agree with Candice, of course.
>
>
> Erminia
>