thank you this very useful ctitique.
i'll check out the pieces you refer to.
cheers
komninos
At 07:43 PM 1/20/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello, Komninos,
>
>I've always wanted a place at the beach, but still don't have one,
>so it was nice to visit your space of a beach. I really enjoyed the
>effect of word-waves rolling toward me as they were being read by me,
>accompanied by the sound of the surf and the gulls cawing overhead.
>
>After awhile I went and checked out your "Adventures of i," which
>seemed very witty--a sort of narcissist's version of The Dot and the
>Line (if you're old enough to remember that classic?), with its end
>point of "everything is not mine" a logical consequence of "everything
>is not me" and all those prior Piagetian developmental stages you take
>little i through. The toilet-training sequence seemed an especially
>brilliant single frame, while the progression from rocking (cradle)
>through rolling (pram) to strolling (stroller) is a beautifully
>sequenced series (IMHO).
>
>You asked elsewhere (and about different works on your sites, I
>realize) if this is poetry, and, much as I enjoyed both works, which
>did both _work_ on and for me, I'd have to say no, not poetry. I don't
>know what to call what you do--and so brilliantly!--but it doesn't work
>the same way poetry does for me (not a value judgment, but a sense of
>difference). I think it's because the imagery is pictorial rather than
>textual, so I respond to it less as a reader than as a film viewer. For
>me, poetry is something to be read or heard rather than watched, but
>that's just me--what I'm used to--and maybe others have a different
>experience of poetry and/or the kinds of works you create or maybe I
>just need more exposure to what you do, some training in its reading
>perhaps.
>
>What your works made me realize is that I'm more drawn to hypertexts
>and cyberpoetry that engage texts in the process of creating new ones,
>such as Jennifer Ley's knockout of a hypertext in Snakeskin where the
>dynamic (the hyper part) is the interaction between science and art
>that her text sets in motion--but it's motion I can read as I would a
>still text, and that seems to make all the difference. An example of
>cyberpoetry to which I'm very drawn--again as a _reader_--is Sarah
>Law's beautiful (and beautifully intelligent) Mudlark chapbook, The
>Baptism of the Neophytes. These poetic meditations on medieval and
>Renaissance paintings she studied in Florence and Venice take the
>form of miniatures as a result (Law says in a note) of her having
>brought home postcards of these paintings to use as she wrote her
>poems. She didn't do anything so obvious as construct postcard like
>frames or boxes for her poems, though--their genius is in the small
>scale of the verbal ground that constitutes each poem in the series.
>
>Both Ley and Law are engaging their poetry's subjects as reading
>writers (or vice versa), and it's the quality of mind they bring to
>each subject that makes their readings of them so brilliant and so
>inviting to their own readers ultimately. I don't have much patience
>with or interest in hypertexts or cyberpoetry based on shallow or
>stupid or just plain goofy readings of (especially for me, as a
>medievalist) medieval and Renaissance texts, such as are often found
>in e-zines these days, no matter how ingenious the hyper/cyber aspect
>of such works may be. A bad reading is a bad reading....
>
>Candice
>
>
>
>
>>>Landscape?
>>yeah, poetry that makes you think you are looking at a vista, or a panorama.
>>i have made some 3d landscape poems, eg. 'beach', using the words
>>water(blue), sand(yellow), wave(light blue), crab(orange), thong(pink), and
>>can(silver). the sand is staionary, the water moves, the wave comes up and
>>down over the sand, the crab scuttles out of the water into the word sand,
>>two thongs cross the screen, and finally a can is washed up by the wave.
>>some seagulls squalking as a soundtrack and there you have it a poem, a
>>poem in a digital format, in a 3d environment where motion is a semiotic
>>device, and which is landscape poetry.
>>http://www.experimedia.vic.gov.au/~komninos/beach0.html
>
komninos's cyberpoetry site http://student.uq.edu.au/~s271502
cyberpoet@slv site http://www.experimedia.vic.gov.au/cyberpoet/
komninos zervos, tel. +61 7 5552 8872
lecturer in cyberStudies,
school of arts,
gold coast campus,
griffith university,
pmb 50, gold coast mail centre
queensland, 9726
australia.
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