I had three such experiences, between the ages of eight and thirty one, of
the kind discussed by Chris and BJ, none of which were drug or Crowley or
near death assisted, or intended, and all I can say is that they had the
character of an alteration of focus, of a walk in an unmapped outside.
In an involuntary trance.
What they demonstrated, proved, meant, I simply do not know.
But they do remind me of the way in which poetry too provides an
extra-bodily consciousness, in which the originating subject too becomes
'another'.
david bircumshaw
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From: Chris Hamilton-Emery <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Some cheerful reflections on death
> Doesn't quite sound crazy BJ, in the cancer hospital I worked in lots of
> people had near death experiences like this. I tried Crowleyan Magick for
> about 3 years where this is a common practice. I never managed it myself.
> Quite a few cultures cite this experience some often drug induced. But
> interestingly very few cultures outside of the Christian see this as a
soul.
> They do see it as a another form of self. A number of alien abduction
> stories share similar features. I wish I'd had the experience to see what
> I'd make of it. I did once have a really bad trip where I saw myself as a
> period (full stop). Which really says it all doesn't it.
>
> Best
> C
>
>
> > Though most have admitted this discussion of "soul" is
> > a bit out of place on this list, I just thought I
> > would share my experience of "soul" with you all.
> > Crazy as it may sound, I once experienced astral
> > projection and *saw* my body lying on the sofa beneath
> > "me." So....I'm convinced I have a soul. Not very
> > scientific, barely poetic, but there you have it.
> > Proof enough for me at least.
> >
> > BJ Horgeshimer
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