on 2/6/01 2:45 AM, david.bircumshaw at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> It obviously being in the run-up to the 4th century AD here, and the shore
> defences will soon collapse.
Right, you lot still have Maldon to look forward to--and there's a
cautionary tale, if ever there was!
> Otherwise all I can say is to echo the header of this thread. Without the
> article, indefinite or not.
So why, I wonder, here in the Two-if-by-sea, One-if-by-land Land, do I
get the feeling you're warning me (off?)....
Skol,
Brunhilde
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Candice Ward <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: A caution
>
>
>> David,
>>
>> Matthew is pretty clearly using "provincial" in the ordinary sense of
>> province-related, as opposed to your earlier "I live 100 miles from
> London,"
>> ergo "I am 'provincial'," but your mention of Carcanet gives me a
>> serendipitous opening to answer Jill's earlier query about who I talked to
>> in Australia and how tanked up they were when the subject of homey
> poetries
>> came up. Without being too indiscreet, let me recall that this was the
>> spring of 1999, just after Oxford had announced the shutdown of its
>> poetry-publishing enterprise, which had included Chris Wallace-Crabbe,
> whom
>> I overheard telling someone--soberly, in both senses of the term, and with
>> evident relief--that Carcanet had just "picked [him] up." (This was in
>> Melbourne, where--not incidentally--Collected Works was being evicted from
>> its former space, and when I met its owner, Kris Hemensley, he still
> hadn't
>> located new premises for this illustrious poetry venue.) Earlier that week
>> in Hobart, I'd met some of the poets affiliated with Island, which was
> then
>> between editors and feared to be about to go under for lack of funding--so
>> another sober session there. These were very dire times for poetry in both
>> those Australian locales, in other words, and such straitened
> circumstances
>> rarely bring out the charitable side in anyone.
>>
>> Whether that's a factor in some of the anger that's erupted in this
>> discussion of (mainly) the Sydney poetry scene, as reported by JK, I don't
>> know. (Jill: no, my sidetrip to Sinny got cancelled, alas!) What I can
> tell
>> you, though, is that a pair interesting list-threads to do with JK's
> article
>> developed on two different lists today and spawned parallel discussions
>> among some of the same people (namely, Jill and Debbie, here and
>> there--"there" being Cassie Lewis's PoetryEspresso list.) Since this was
>> where I picked up the link to JK's article myself, having accepted
> Cassie's
>> posted invitation to check out the archives and discovered yesterday that
>> Deb had posted the SMH link (without comment then), I went back to
>> PoetryEspresso tonight out of curiosity to see if anything like our own
>> "Caution" thread had emerged there in the meantime. Nor was I
> disappointed!
>>
>> As you'll see if you care to peruse the PetryEspresso archives for today
> (or
>> yesterday, rather, by now), it was THE thread of the day, and mention was
>> made of checking out our own archives in turn, so here's the URL again,
> for
>> anyone who'd like to do some comparison shopping:
>>
>> http://www.topica.com/lists/PoetryEspresso
>>
>> Just click on "read this list" in the top right-hand corner when the list
>> info. pops up, and it will open up to the (dated) messages (Deb's original
>> posting of 2/4 and then the resulting thread of 2/5). Ah, list life--they
>> oughta make a movie of it ("It's a Wonderful Link"?)--
>>
>> Candice
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