I didn't say you are antisemitic, and I'm not trying to offend you. I came
into this thread with no idea who started it.
Perhaps Jung was the only Late Romantic thinker in Europe unaware of Wagner.
Mind your manners when you speak to your elders.
At 12:07 PM 2/21/2001 +1100, ALI ALIZADEH wrote:
>Dear Mark
>
>I wish you had stayed at the bottom of your canyon. I really do. But then
again you
>crack me up. Why didn't you stay there? Go on, go back...
>
>I promised myself after a week at the bottom of a canyon that I wouldn't
>enter into any really dumb topics,
>
>Like I said, some people deserve more time alone than others; that means YOU.
>Mark, what do you have against me? I've felt your hostility from the
minute I joined
>the chat group. As it is, I am quite familiar with the rites of passage,
and I have
>been mentionining it in previous posts. As for Wagner and Nitzche, it's YOUR
>assumption that Jung got his ideas from them, not anyone else's, including
Jung
>himself. In his autobiography Jung cites Goethe as a significant figure
when it came
>to developing the archetypes. His relationship with Nitzche was rather
fleeting.
>
>
>Not in itself very nteresting except to those (like the above-mentioned)
who get off
>on the fact that We're All the Same (for Wagner the We was Germans) except
for
>those pesky Jews.
>
>I'm trying not to take any of this personally. The hero myth has inspired
fascism as
>much as it's isnpired socialism, capitalism, femenism, religion and any
other human
>phenomenon. Like everything else it's been used, abused, etc. Take the
myth of Joan
>of Arc in France; she was depicted as a hero by both the Vichy government
and the
>Resistance during WWII. As for accusing ME of anti-semetism, I'm finding
it funny.
>I have to say, you're way off the line.
>
>So not a very good defining trait for a genre. It happens that the epic as
>understood in the West was conceived...
>
>the epic was concieved in the East a long time before your Greek
heritage-makers.
>And that's the tradition that I grew up with. Frankly, I care very little for
>the 'origins' of the form because they are absolutely unattainable. I'm more
>interested in its various manifestations.
>
>
>What relevance does this sort of project have to the world as most of us
>know it? Why would any sane human being want to do this now?
>
>It obviously has no relevance to you, and I hate to break the news here;
but you,
>Mark are NOT the world. I know you may think you are, but...And I didn't
claim to
>be 'sane' either. And please stop trying to get a reaction out of me by
offending
>me. It won't work. Now, if you have a serious question about my project,
feel free
>to ask properly.
>
>Cheers
>Ali
>
>
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