On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:57:43 -0000, domfox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Oh, cods. (...) Everybody hates a tourist.
So, everybody hates me. I am a turist, here.


>
>What would *you* do to someone who wanted you to bugger them a) as
>punishment, and b) for being better than you? Tell them to stop being such
a
>stuck-up neurotic twat, I hope.

Neurosis makes people arty-stic. Without neurosis, art is nothing (see
Oscar Wilde, Thomas Mann...)


>
>The sad thing is that outside of the prison archipelago where coitus is
>inevitably punishment, being sodomised is actually rather nice, and its
>continuing reputation as the dirtiest piece of frightful nastiness that can
>happen to a chap is an unfortunate slur on both the good intentions of the
>sodomite and on the catamite's indubitable satisfactions (I have this on
the
>good authority of friends who regularly and cheerfully alternate between
>both "subject positions"). Again, what would you do with some who wanted
you
>to bugger them, and who expected and wanted it to be a thoroughly horrible
>and degrading experience?

I leave it (the answer) to your arty-stic imagination (topic of this post
half per cent with reality)


Does that sound like great sex? Personally, I'd
>rather nail my cock to a plank, and that's not because nailing my cock to a
>plank in any way corresponds to my idea of fun.



You never know, what secret pleasures it might reserve for you, so, if I
were yoiu, I would try...

>
>It is as I have said before: if you start from where de Sade is, you will
>almost inevitably end up underwriting the prerogatives of the aristocrat,
>albeit the aristocrat playing at abjection. Forget him. As the sainted H.C.
>has also remarked: kill the father - kill the master - kill your pimp...



Are you uttering the marxist-stalinist imperative "Erotism will not win
us!" ?


I hope that, to avoid sodomy, you avoided in the fist place
military "service": This, as I said other times in the past, is the real
sodomy, not the "male-to-male" mating: all the other kind of sodomy
(passive or active are either a pantomime of the military service or an act
of love as an other), an act of love I am sure many men would be happy to
imagine the secret pleasures of.....(as the notoriously intelligent Greeks
did). After all, the Sade teaches us that to be a real lover, one has first
to learn what are the pleasures that one can or cannot be inflicted.
Therefore, the disposition of desadian men to be subjected to sodomy, rape
and flagellation (from both men and women).

I have no comment to make on these issues because they are sexual and I
think this is not what I was talking about when I was referring to Levinas'
idea of the need to experience "the Other", to transcend one's status (of
whatever kind). It is sexuality that which mirrors the vices of society and
politics, not the opposite: it is a symptom , not the disease.

My poin was CULTURAL, I repeat (but I do appreciate your masculine tendence
to draw attention to the sex, I do appreciate your drive to bring the
subject on the genital, the crude,the sadomaso, as when you ask me (us) to
imagine the pleasure of nailing your low-abdominal tool to the wall as an
icon to worship (an ex-voto? in the Pompei Cathedral?)


1. I was merely wondering if you ever experienced the situation to go and
visit a male friends-father while he is looking after his child, and
whether you invited him (and the prammed child) for a walk to town to buy
clothes for the baby, or to go shopping for the evening meal. I wonder
whether you ever kiss and embrace your mates in the streets and walk arm in
arm , (for exampel, the famously macho Italian men with fully shaved chests
shining with oid and oinments, do it, they see from a far distance another
amn, shout aloud their name, hug colliding the one shining and hairless
chest against the other sun-kissed chest, kiss twice and then go to eat an
icecream and to stroll about arm in arm: NB, not being homosexual at all,
but only in principle...). After all, it is the principle that matters!

2. I have no second point to make, as I am first waiting to an aswer to the
first point....
Erminia

>
>> These dualities are made
>grotesque and in this way debase and caricature the mechanism of power: be
>careful, you men, because it is true that in your Imperialist countries,
>public dominance corresponds to private depravation, desire for
>mortification, chastisement (how many of you seem so straight beg at night
>the wives or partners to be lashed enchained?)