'I am of the race that sang under torture'
But that is all bye-byes nowadays.
Douglas Clark, Bath, England mailto: [log in to unmask]
Lynx: Poetry from Bath .......... http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, david.bircumshaw wrote:
> Erminia writes:
>
> "noone of the poeple that I know as being medically recognised as mentally
> impared, therefore "stupid", has ever been emploied by capitalist
> companies"
>
> Well I've been diagnosed alternatively as both a 'simple schizophrenic' and
> a 'manic depressive (bi-polar affective disorder)' but I've certainly been
> employed by capitalist companies. My own self-diagnosis is stressed out poet
> trapped in hell, but my perceptions about the nature of the successful in
> the business world derive from actual experience, rather than any
> theoretical notions of what it's like out there. My understanding too is
> that most people who become homeless do so in the aftermath of either
> marriage break-up or job-loss, matters like alcohol abuse are usually
> symptomatic of their distress, rather than its leading edge.
>
> The point about 'stupid' is that its usage is justifiable in the context
> Muller employs it, you seem , Erminia, to be attaching absolute values to
> words.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
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> David Bircumshaw
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erminia Passannanti" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Back on Planet Earth
>
>
> >This may be misplaced romanticism, and therefore +dumb+, but I've sometimes
> >found "poor dispossessed sized by stupidity" (sic: an interesting slip
> twixt
> >cup and lip)on the streets have a vein of shrewd and humourous wit (in all
> >senses)
>
>
> noone of the poeple that I know as being medically recognised as mentally
> impared, therefore "stupid", has ever been emploied by capitalist
> companies, offered jobs by multinationsls, and so on...(they do roam around
> in the streets, unassited) but not in Italy: here they do not roam around
> lost, in fact I know lots of stupids who are emploied on permanent basis by
> the Italian State, this shows you how generous and protective some
> Republics can be... You can see them seated there at their work place,
> sometimes staring at you from behind the glasses of a post-office or a
> museum gate with wide-opened eyes or drawling saliva from their slach lips.
>
>
> often lacking in the "successful" reigning in the world Erminia
> >apparently rates so highly.
> >Martin
>
>
> Do I? I did not realize it...,This might be , then, you make me think,
> your personal erotic fantasy on me: matter of fact, here I am, enchained to
> my desk, locked in my studio, dressed in black, profoundly melancholy,
> unseen, unheard (except by you, guys), deprived of all powers (meaning that
> I once had them? no)...Engulfed between Quine and Levinas, Kristeva and
> Barthes... Also disquieted by the fact that so many people are out there
> ready and content to define themselves poets as well as stupids. I think
> you need to come back with your feet on the ground: I see you floating in
> the air, lighter and lighter: I call: Martiiiin, Daaaaaaaviid. I shout :
> Robiiiinnnnnn, come down , be reasonable, sweeties, do not be silly, but up
> you go, high you fly, sized by your wonders, your dreams, your deliriums,
> and disperse........like little fat cute winged people....Ohhhh. There he
> is...and look , another down there, almost sinking in that big cloud, it is
> Marttiiiiin. (Then all of a sudden, a riffle: Gone.)
>
> Erminia
>
> (NB: By the way, the amazing ability that you have to change subject: we
> were arguing about the term "stupidity", its etymology, which is Latin, and
> then about its usage, first in the romance languages, then in the
> Anglophone ones.. since this was the point of controversy...the debate was
> about that particular use of the word "stupidity" in relation to poetry and
> poets). Why shall we now discuss about "dull", if Alison said "stupid"? It
> makes my mind go in a whirld when you behave with such an butterfly's....
> attitude.
>
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