Doug Barbour wrote:
> Perhaps too much of its
> contents are what David dismissed as 'academic models of poetry' -- but I
> confess I never know what people mean by such phrases. I don't mind being
> 'stupid,' but that doesn't mean ignoring any of the possibilities in & of
> words wording...
Eek, Doug, what I had in mind was the 'theory market' rather than poems as
such, though no doubt I could aver that there is poetry that could fall into
my dismissive category. I can't quote from other lists, but elsewhere
someone put up a post which quite unconsciously illustrated the how of the
jargon game, how departmental and intra-university politics create a
pressure to propound models which exist really to further the careers of
their proponents.
I'm not being sour here, I'm just trying to emphasise that the dozyheaded
unpredictability of poetry, its beautiful naive stupidity, its gullibility
of retaining faith, even if there's nothing to have faith in, bar one
another, exists and precedes its intra-mural pinning downs.
Best
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Barbour" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Love and Theft
> >I have to dash off now for my Tuesday circuit of three pubs
> >in four hours, but first I thought I would say that I have
> >been listening to my local choir's CD of Christmas Carols
> >whilst reading Dylan's lyrics and Salt 12 which Candice
> >kindly sent me (thank you very much) and I must say that
> >I found more genuine scraps of poetry in the Dylan than
> >in the whole of the enormous Salt, but I dont think Dylan
> >is good enough for the Nobel as a lyricist cos he is a
> >songwriter and the music and the words combine in mysterious
> >ways, and it is a pity he ruined his CD by singing in
> >that dreadful voice which only Americans like and I
> >am off to the pub...
>
> Ah well, Douglas: Dylan can write great lyrics, & Dylanophiles especially
> believe so. But I don't have your problems with SALT 12, even if I don't
> necessarily like all of its contents (who could?). Perhaps too much of its
> contents are what David dismissed as 'academic models of poetry' -- but I
> confess I never know what people mean by such phrases. I don't mind being
> 'stupid,' but that doesn't mean ignoring any of the possibilities in & of
> words wording...
>
> As for his voice, well: I think it works with his songs. Maybe it is a
> North American thang...
>
> Doug
>
> Douglas Barbour
> Department of English
> University of Alberta
> Edmonton Alberta Canada T6G 2E5
> (h) [780] 436 3320 (b) [780] 492 0521
> http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/dbhome.htm
>
> Beauty
> is to lay hold of Love
> is the leave
> to
> Charles Olson
>
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