Ah, I see.
I seem to be going down with an extreme aversion to controversy in matters
literary myself at the moment, or anything else (almost) to be honest.
And as for class issues......
Aaargh!!!
Best
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: Postmodern?/more baroque
> No, you have to sign on, and they make you go through 6this every few
> months, but thereafter their server recognizes you when you log in--it
> doesn't automatically download.
>
> The same is true for the NYRB, by the wy, and even their archive is free.
>
> Mark
>
> At 12:00 AM 9/11/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> >Ah, it requires you to subscribe, tom, and I don't really fancy having
the
> >NYT downloaded into my Inbox every day.
> >
> >So wot was it about?
> >
> >
> >Best
> >
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Thomas Bell, Psyd" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:28 PM
> >Subject: Re: Postmodern?/more baroque
> >
> >
> >> this story from the NYTimes might be relevant here?
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/08/arts/08CONN.html
> >>
> >> tom bell
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:21 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Postmodern?/more baroque
> >>
> >>
> >> > > While we're at it, you do, like most of us, suck at the trough of
> >> > bourgeois
> >> > > society. By the way
> >> >
> >> > Yes, Mark, we do.
> >> >
> >> > Altho' I can claim impeccable Brit working class credentials I'm very
> >> aware
> >> > too that my relative poverty is wealth by the standards of the Third
> >World
> >> > and as well I have no idea what investments my company pension fund
> >> derives
> >> > its returns from.
> >> >
> >> > Mea culpa, altho' I'm very innocent by nature.
> >> >
> >> > Best
> >> >
> >> > Dave
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:59 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Postmodern?/more baroque
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > You don't really mean that. Just throw anything at the page? Learn
> >> nothing
> >> > > from the practice of one's craft?
> >> > >
> >> > > Of course I could say that any prestructured project reifies
> >hierarchy,
> >> > but
> >> > > that would be pretty dumb. Also tactless and (intellectually)
> >immature.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you don't want to engage an argument just say so. This sort of
> >> sidestep
> >> > > just pisses me off. I have a hard time abiding political
accusations
> >or
> >> > > fools in silence. Reminds me, I guess, of the endless arguments of
my
> >> > > adolescence about who was a better Trotskyist.
> >> > >
> >> > > While we're at it, you do, like most of us, suck at the trough of
> >> > bourgeois
> >> > > society. By the way.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mark
> >> > >
> >> > > At 08:49 PM 9/10/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> >> > > >On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:29:39 -0700, Mark Weiss
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > >wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>The links between the
> >> > > >>>poet and the literary/cultural theorist is somehow unavoidable.
I
> >> > myself
> >> > > >>>do not believe in spontaneity and I hope that behind each poet
> >there
> >> is
> >> > a
> >> > > >>>project not merely a vent of words, an outburst of tears or joy,
> >the
> >> > > >desire
> >> > > >>>to give find expression for one's wrath.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Theorists, some of them poets, will continue to theorize and
> >> > occasionally
> >> > > >>invent isms, but the impact of the link is certainly avoidable if
> >> theory
> >> > > >>follows from, is derived from, practice.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Writing spontaneously doesn't mean writing egotistically. Writing
> >with
> >> a
> >> > > >>project in mind often does. One is finally only protected from
> >oneself
> >> > by
> >> > > >>tact and maturity.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>Mark
> >> > > >
> >> > > >By the way: tact and maturity are no reelvant measures for poetry.
> >> > > >these are good measures for bourgeois society.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >erminia
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> >
>
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