this story from the NYTimes might be relevant here?
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/08/arts/08CONN.html
tom bell
----- Original Message -----
From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Postmodern?/more baroque
> > While we're at it, you do, like most of us, suck at the trough of
> bourgeois
> > society. By the way
>
> Yes, Mark, we do.
>
> Altho' I can claim impeccable Brit working class credentials I'm very
aware
> too that my relative poverty is wealth by the standards of the Third World
> and as well I have no idea what investments my company pension fund
derives
> its returns from.
>
> Mea culpa, altho' I'm very innocent by nature.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Weiss" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Postmodern?/more baroque
>
>
> > You don't really mean that. Just throw anything at the page? Learn
nothing
> > from the practice of one's craft?
> >
> > Of course I could say that any prestructured project reifies hierarchy,
> but
> > that would be pretty dumb. Also tactless and (intellectually) immature.
> >
> > If you don't want to engage an argument just say so. This sort of
sidestep
> > just pisses me off. I have a hard time abiding political accusations or
> > fools in silence. Reminds me, I guess, of the endless arguments of my
> > adolescence about who was a better Trotskyist.
> >
> > While we're at it, you do, like most of us, suck at the trough of
> bourgeois
> > society. By the way.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > At 08:49 PM 9/10/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> > >On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:29:39 -0700, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>The links between the
> > >>>poet and the literary/cultural theorist is somehow unavoidable. I
> myself
> > >>>do not believe in spontaneity and I hope that behind each poet there
is
> a
> > >>>project not merely a vent of words, an outburst of tears or joy, the
> > >desire
> > >>>to give find expression for one's wrath.
> > >>
> > >>Theorists, some of them poets, will continue to theorize and
> occasionally
> > >>invent isms, but the impact of the link is certainly avoidable if
theory
> > >>follows from, is derived from, practice.
> > >>
> > >>Writing spontaneously doesn't mean writing egotistically. Writing with
a
> > >>project in mind often does. One is finally only protected from oneself
> by
> > >>tact and maturity.
> > >>
> > >>Mark
> > >
> > >By the way: tact and maturity are no reelvant measures for poetry.
> > >these are good measures for bourgeois society.
> > >
> > >erminia
> > >
> >
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