hi chris
what, in the first place, makes you imagine I think poets dangerous, per se?
My point was about parameters of debate on an e-mail list, not the substance
of what can or cannot be said, and I certainly wasn't thinking of the source
of the problematic issue as being a poet, as I have seen no evidence to
suggest that.
Having formerly being a 'naive user' on the e-waves I see no distinction
between social inexperience and its cyber equivalent and I would re-iterate
my point about exhortions of people to visit hackers' sites as being
irresponsible. I am utterly unimpressed by your self-dramatisation, I for
instance am a vaguely bisexual semi-alcoholic ex-drug-user from a poverty
stricken background that Middle England will never let me forget. I have an
accent, you see, it's that _funny_ one, call it Birmingham.
But none of that means I am a poet, nor that I deserve special treatment.
Though I do dare to think I am a poet. And often wish I wasn't. It's like an
illness. But I couldn't, paradoxically, live without it.
Nope, I haven't read Dorothy Porter, nor am I a marker of forbidden ground.
But I do, dumbhead that I am, have a sketchy awareness of others.
dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris jones" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Grokking hacks
Hi david
Nice to hear some of us poets are still considered dangerous.
As for opening up naive users to viri. . . sounds a tad paranoid hysteric to
me.
Being a practising homosexual injecting drug user don't mean I will die of
AIDS, for example. I thought us gay poets writing on HIV had that sort of
judgement done with last decade. . . but the image of the dangerous
infectious virus still persists and i find this intersting. It has just
transferred to Micro$oft users.
Last decade I also remember the panicking purist poetry police scrrreaming
what does detective fiction have to do with poetry. Have you read Dorothy
Porter's detective fiction verse novel, _The Money's Mask_?
So, I think this is quite OK stuff for this list. What I do need to really
thank you for is alerting me much more to how much this internet email virus
stuff and computer hacking is forbidden ground, so to speak.
with best wishes
Chris Jones.
(ps anybody who uses the user name blow and the password job on an internet
porn site account is just asking to get hacked. Don't open unknown
attachments on emails. Fire an email back to the address to check it, at
least or throw it in the trash. . . like something from [log in to unmask]
Also, this mailing list is run on an NT system which, if set up right by the
network admin, should strip all attachments and html code and so there is
little chance of one getting through the server. So there is really little
to
be concerned about. . . )
On Monday 30 April 2001 10:32, you wrote:
> Okay, this is 'Poetryetc' but I think the second term in the compound is
> starting to get dangerously stretched. Anyone who has a little knowledge
of
> the Net is likely to be aware of 'Warez' and their 'extras' but you fail
to
> mention that naive investigations of such territories is also likely to
> open the user to a whole range of very nice and often very new viruses. I
> don't have any objection to this conversation happening but would suggest
> it belongs back-channel.
> I also think Robert Heinlein was a meretricious writer. So I suspect your
> impressions of Heinlein are not simply down to the effect of the years.
> And, the 'etc' granted, the first term in this list's title is 'poetry',
> something that is a little problematical in itself, and that asks of us
> that we might move outside the given parlance of our days. An awkward
> demand, and one that too is difficult to acount for.
> Like the imagination.
>
> david b.
>
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