Okay, this is 'Poetryetc' but I think the second term in the compound is
starting to get dangerously stretched. Anyone who has a little knowledge of
the Net is likely to be aware of 'Warez' and their 'extras' but you fail to
mention that naive investigations of such territories is also likely to open
the user to a whole range of very nice and often very new viruses.
I don't have any objection to this conversation happening but would suggest
it belongs back-channel.
I also think Robert Heinlein was a meretricious writer. So I suspect your
impressions of Heinlein are not simply down to the effect of the years. And,
the 'etc' granted, the first term in this list's title is 'poetry',
something that is a little problematical in itself, and that asks of us that
we might move outside the given parlance of our days. An awkward demand, and
one that too is difficult to acount for.
Like the imagination.

david b.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Studio Dalwood" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:02 PM
Subject: Grokking hacks


> chris jones
> "something else i'd like to grok some more is cracking unix
> networks, especially banks, monetary systems and police and
> spy networks. if
> anyone knows some juicy sources, i'd be interested to hear,
> off or on list.
> it's for a writing project, not to actually crack systems
> since i don't have
> such skills, btw. (i know _underground_ and _unix hackers
> guide_ and cern)"
>
> Thats what they all say Chris ;-)
>
> There are a few hacking lists on the net, a google search
> will probably help you find them. I just did a search on the
> term "hacking lists" and it brought up 120,000 entries. Some
> of the better lists require you to perform a hack before you
> can join (or so I'm told). Hackers use the term 'warez' for
> cracked software and a search using this term will also
> bring up some interesting crack sites, however they are
> often linked to porn sites, so be prepared...
>
> When I was working in the industry some years ago I read a
> number of very good books on hacking which were written by
> ex hackers. They were full of great anecdotes and very
> useful in learning how to avoid the more obvious hacks. For
> the industry to stay ahead of the hackers they have to keep
> in touch with what and how, no doubt there are many more
> newer but similar texts around. Sorry, but I cant give you
> any titles.
>
> A warning. A friend of mine, now an IT professional, was
> severely reprimanded as a student for doing such research
> through their student account, it made the unix admin very
> nervous. If your account is monitored, the server gnomes
> will be alerted to your research activities and you may get
> into trouble or lose your account depending on their policy.
> Best not to do this type of research through a work account.
> You might find it more useful to join a legitimate IT list
> and profer your question there.
>
> I read "Stranger in a Strange Land" in the early seventies
> when it was still a cult novel. A couple of years ago I
> re-read it, in a new 'cut' that contained a lot of material
> previously missing from the first edition. Either this had
> lowered the quality of the text (ie the editor was right!)
> or it has not survived the ravages of time. Or maybe I've
> changed a lot in the past thirty years. It certainly did not
> seem the great read it was in my youth, though it did
> influence its generation very much. I haven't heard the term
> 'grok' for a long long time, I thought it had gone the way
> of 'groovy'.
>
> Josephine
>