Proof at least that you have an imagination, which I never doubted.
We most of us watch ourselves in dreams, sometimes convinced that the dream
is waking reality. I've also had the sense of watching myself, physically,
from outside my body, but I never thought it was my soul floating outside
me. Interestingly, when this happens now the me that I see is a lot younger
than the me in the mirror.
Mark
At 09:35 AM 1/14/2001 -0800, BJ Horgeshimer wrote:
>Though most have admitted this discussion of "soul" is
>a bit out of place on this list, I just thought I
>would share my experience of "soul" with you all.
>Crazy as it may sound, I once experienced astral
>projection and *saw* my body lying on the sofa beneath
>"me." So....I'm convinced I have a soul. Not very
>scientific, barely poetic, but there you have it.
>Proof enough for me at least.
>
>BJ Horgeshimer
>
>--- Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>
>wrote:
>> Oh I do like the idea of having evolved to not have
>> a soul, but I must
>> beware the sin of pride in case it awakens my
>> conscience.
>>
>> Memory would certainly be exchangeable for living /
>> soul in that one can
>> demonstrate the existence of memory by changes in
>> behaviour and even changes
>> in the brain
>>
>> It seems to me that conscience morality and ethics
>> are in a slightly
>> different category with memory a process running
>> while the body is living
>> and ethics and conscience outputs of that process
>>
>> I certainly experience my conscience and sometimes
>> heed it
>>
>> I'm not sure I have ever met anyone who says they
>> experience their soul. My
>> mother thought she *had one, but it seemed to be
>> something upon which sin
>> made marks and grace made erasures as if the soul
>> were some kind of reagent
>>
>> I do know a number a number of people who have
>> _spirits_ and one speaks of
>> _aura_, but they seem to be personifying feeling
>> good and maybe even some
>> image of themselves as they wish they were. I have
>> never had the
>> acquaintance of anyone who has experience in a
>> different category
>>
>> One reads of people examining their souls or having
>> their souls being looked
>> into it; but I think they mean memory, possibly bits
>> of memory tagged by the
>> conscience for access only on a need to know basis
>>
>> Dredging up memories of one's behaviour and
>> reviewing them can be very good
>> for one, as well as bad if it gets out of control
>> and becomes compulsive;
>> but I don't see that it is other than a rational use
>> of memory
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Hamilton-Emery" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: 14 January 2001 15:47
>> Subject: Re: Some cheerful reflections on death
>>
>>
>> | I completely agree with this Lawrence, but you
>> could switch "conscience",
>> | "morality", "ethics", "memory" for "soul" here
>> too. You can't see them,
>> but
>> | we know it's there. I sometimes wonder if people
>> who think they have souls
>> | actually experience them in the same way I have a
>> conscience. Or if they
>> are
>> | just lying. Some might complicate things by saying
>> they have no experience
>> | at all but "believe" in their soul. The question
>> is what does it matter if
>> | you've got one or not. Or perhaps some of us have
>> evolved to not have one.
>> |
>> | Best
>> | C
>> |
>> |
>> | > | That the soul exists is obvious: there is
>> a difference between a
>> | > | person alive and that same person's dead body,
>> and that difference is
>> | > | the soul.
>> | >
>> | > To me that the soul does not exist is obvious.
>> At least, without any
>> weazel
>> | > thoughts, it is obvious that there is no sign of
>> a soul. I await *any
>> | > demonstration that there is a soul. If there
>> were such a thing, then it
>> | > remains to be seen what it does. Perhaps it is
>> like the appendix. But
>> the
>> | > appendix demonstrably exists.
>> | >
>> | > The difference between a person alive and that
>> same person's dead body
>> is
>> | > that the body *was working and now isn't.
>> | >
>> | > If you want to call that ended process a soul,
>> ok. I'd rather call it
>> | > living. But if you do call it a soul; and if we
>> acknowledge that it
>> ends,
>> | > then the question of its mortality / immortality
>> would seem to be
>> "obvious"
>> | >
>> | >
>> | > L
>> |
>
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