> While I won't lift my eyebrows at Jeffrey's accusations of homophobia
> (and Debrute is yes a nasty example of homophobia AND misogyny- these
> reflexes are often deeply linked, though there are various
> complexities) I am surprised by his accusations of it being a
> dominant theme on this list.
>
Whether or not 'Debrute' is an early morning typo, Alison, (hope it isn't!)
I think it makes a point wonderfully.
I must confess I am bit puzzled by Jeffrey's feelings about this list on the
issues he raised, though I was more inclined to agreement with his account
of what has happened elsewhere. As for Erminia, who knows?
Best
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alison Croggon" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: Is this real. . .of the imagination
> Thanks Dom.
>
> While I won't lift my eyebrows at Jeffrey's accusations of homophobia
> (and Debrute is yes a nasty example of homophobia AND misogyny- these
> reflexes are often deeply linked, though there are various
> complexities) I am surprised by his accusations of it being a
> dominant theme on this list.
>
> This list is unmoderated, which means a variousness of viewpoints,
> including some the listowners deeply disagree with (we are also most
> definitely not monolithic), are aired here. That's fine - up to a
> point, as the guidelines make clear.
>
> A
>
> >Oh, cods. The pretence of subjection to one's imagined inferiors is a
> >cynical and stupid game and changes nothing. The whole dispositif
reinforces
> >the very relations it claims to travesty, simply by depending on them for
> >the continuation of its parodic delights. Everybody hates a tourist.
> >
> >What would *you* do to someone who wanted you to bugger them a) as
> >punishment, and b) for being better than you? Tell them to stop being
such a
> >stuck-up neurotic twat, I hope.
> >
> >The sad thing is that outside of the prison archipelago where coitus is
> >inevitably punishment, being sodomised is actually rather nice, and its
> >continuing reputation as the dirtiest piece of frightful nastiness that
can
> >happen to a chap is an unfortunate slur on both the good intentions of
the
> >sodomite and on the catamite's indubitable satisfactions (I have this on
the
> >good authority of friends who regularly and cheerfully alternate between
> >both "subject positions"). Again, what would you do with some who wanted
you
> >to bugger them, and who expected and wanted it to be a thoroughly
horrible
> >and degrading experience? Does that sound like great sex? Personally, I'd
> >rather nail my cock to a plank, and that's not because nailing my cock to
a
> >plank in any way corresponds to my idea of fun.
> >
> >It is as I have said before: if you start from where de Sade is, you will
> >almost inevitably end up underwriting the prerogatives of the aristocrat,
> >albeit the aristocrat playing at abjection. Forget him. As the sainted
H.C.
> >has also remarked: kill the father - kill the master - kill your pimp...
> >
> >> These dualities are made
> >grotesque and in this way debase and caricature the mechanism of power:
be
> >careful, you men, because it is true that in your Imperialist countries,
> >public dominance corresponds to private depravation, desire for
> >mortification, chastisement (how many of you seem so straight beg at
night
> >the wives or partners to be lashed enchained?)
>
> --
>
>
> Alison Croggon
>
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