Though most have admitted this discussion of "soul" is
a bit out of place on this list, I just thought I
would share my experience of "soul" with you all.
Crazy as it may sound, I once experienced astral
projection and *saw* my body lying on the sofa beneath
"me." So....I'm convinced I have a soul. Not very
scientific, barely poetic, but there you have it.
Proof enough for me at least.

BJ Horgeshimer

--- Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Oh I do like the idea of having evolved to not have
> a soul, but I must
> beware the sin of pride in case it awakens my
> conscience.
>
> Memory would certainly be exchangeable for living /
> soul in that one can
> demonstrate the existence of memory by changes in
> behaviour and even changes
> in the brain
>
> It seems to me that conscience morality and ethics
> are in a slightly
> different category with memory a process running
> while the body is living
> and ethics and conscience outputs of that process
>
> I certainly experience my conscience and sometimes
> heed it
>
> I'm not sure I have ever met anyone who says they
> experience their soul. My
> mother thought she *had one, but it seemed to be
> something upon which sin
> made marks and grace made erasures as if the soul
> were some kind of reagent
>
> I do know a number a number of people who have
> _spirits_ and one speaks of
> _aura_, but they seem to be personifying feeling
> good and maybe even some
> image of themselves as they wish they were. I have
> never had the
> acquaintance of anyone who has experience in a
> different category
>
> One reads of people examining their souls or having
> their souls being looked
> into it; but I think they mean memory, possibly bits
> of memory tagged by the
> conscience for access only on a need to know basis
>
> Dredging up memories of one's behaviour and
> reviewing them can be very good
> for one, as well as bad if it gets out of control
> and becomes compulsive;
> but I don't see that it is other than a rational use
> of memory
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Hamilton-Emery" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 14 January 2001 15:47
> Subject: Re: Some cheerful reflections on death
>
>
> | I completely agree with this Lawrence, but you
> could switch "conscience",
> | "morality", "ethics", "memory" for "soul" here
> too. You can't see them,
> but
> | we know it's there. I sometimes wonder if people
> who think they have souls
> | actually experience them in the same way I have a
> conscience. Or if they
> are
> | just lying. Some might complicate things by saying
> they have no experience
> | at all but "believe" in their soul. The question
> is what does it matter if
> | you've got one or not. Or perhaps some of us have
> evolved to not have one.
> |
> | Best
> | C
> |
> |
> | > | That the soul exists is obvious: there is
> a difference between a
> | > | person alive and that same person's dead body,
> and that difference is
> | > | the soul.
> | >
> | > To me that the soul does not exist is obvious.
> At least, without any
> weazel
> | > thoughts, it is obvious that there is no sign of
> a soul. I await *any
> | > demonstration that there is a soul. If there
> were such a thing, then it
> | > remains to be seen what it does. Perhaps it is
> like the appendix. But
> the
> | > appendix demonstrably exists.
> | >
> | > The difference between a person alive and that
> same person's dead body
> is
> | > that the body *was working and now isn't.
> | >
> | > If you want to call that ended process a soul,
> ok. I'd rather call it
> | > living. But if you do call it a soul; and if we
> acknowledge that it
> ends,
> | > then the question of its mortality / immortality
> would seem to be
> "obvious"
> | >
> | >
> | > L
> |


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