Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:14:48 +1000To: CSL
From: Jim Coughlan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [CSL] Special EPIC Alert (9/17/01)
What enlightening reading the following is.
Here we go again, another, global Viet Nam?!?!
Ummm ... who has been engaged in global terrorism for the last 30-50 years,
the CIA possibly, America engage in terrorism, not with God on its side ...
But then gain, with about 4 % of the world's population, and an attitude
like it rules 96 % of the world, America could never be wrong, and America
has never been wrong, has it??
While there is almost global shock and sympathy for the American victims of
last week's terrorist attack, that sympathy does not extent to America per
se.
Some global leaders have given verbal support to GW Bush, but a growing
number of people in those countries are scared ... scared not of terrorism
per se, but scared that America is going to lead us all into WWIII ... and
this is in part a view because of arrogance ... Microsoft wants to control
cyberspace, some argue, ... the USA is trying its best to control global
trade, many argue, ... and now, GW Bush has the 'excuse' for ...
Read the Dali Lama's letter to GW Bush, and the views of other enlightened
leaders, and not the political rubbish which elected politicians are
coming out with, as they are not concerned with the future of the world and
global peace and harmony, they are just looking at the next election ...
Open your eyes, while you still can ...
At 08:24 18/09/01 +0100, you wrote:
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>Special EPIC Alert
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>Over the last several days our nation's leaders have confronted the
>greatest national crisis of our generation. It is a difficult time in
>Washington, as it is across the country.
>
>We would like to bring to your attention words of courage and hope
>that have been spoken in Washington during the past week. Members of
>Congress from all parties, from across the country, and of all
>political views have expressed their support for preserving America's
>freedoms, for safeguarding America's ideals.
>
>We know that when countries give up liberties, they make sacrifices,
>not trade-offs, and what is lost may never be recovered. In the days
>ahead, let us move forward together to safeguard that which is most
>precious -- a system of government, the rule of law, and the principle
>of freedom that seeks to protect the rights of each person and the
>security of us all.
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>Marc Rotenberg
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>"[On September 11, 2001,] our fellow citizens, our way of life, our
>very freedom, came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly
>terrorist acts. . . . America has stood down enemies before, and we
>will do so this time. None of us will ever forget this day. Yet, we
>go forward to defend freedom and all that is good and just in our
>world."
>
> --President George W. Bush
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010911-16.html
>
>
>"[A]s we respond here at home to what we learn from these attacks, is
>that this is a country that understands that people have fundamental
>God-given rights and liberties and our government is constituted to
>protect those rights. We cannot -- in our efforts to bring justice --
>diminish those liberties. Clearly this is not a simple, normal
>criminal case. This is an act of war, and those rules of warfare may
>apply. But here at home and domestically, we need to make sure that
>we're not tempted to abrogate any civil rights such as habeas corpus,
>protections against unreasonable searches and seizures, the freedom of
>expression and peaceable assembly, or freedom of religion. And just
>because somebody may come from an ethnic background, that means
>nothing in the exercise of their rights as citizens. They are American
>citizens. And so let's make sure that in our anger and in our efforts
>to bring justice, we remember our basic foundational civil liberties
>and not abrogate them."
>
> --Senator George Allen (R-VA)
>
>http://allen.senate.gov/PressOffice/FloorStatementOnTerroristAttacks.htm
>
>
>"Some have said yesterday and today that all has changed, all has
>changed for America. I know what they mean by that, and I respect
>their view, but I pray that is not true. I pray that is not true. I
>pray my junior colleague from Virginia is correct when he says the one
>thing we cannot allow to change is the values upon which this country
>is built, for if that were to occur, then they would be able to
>declare victory, genuine victory."
>
> --Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-DE)
> http://biden.senate.gov/%7Ebiden/press/release/01/09/2001912907.html
>
>
>"Attacking this country is not enough to defeat it. It never has
>been. That's something our enemies have discovered again and again.
>America's history is the story of a nation, of a people, that has
>repeatedly overcome what seemed like insurmountable challenges --
>fueled by our individual liberty, our respect for the rule of law, and
>our belief in the value of every human life. America began as a
>nation by overcoming tyranny. We will continue by overcoming
>terrorism. And we will do it without sacrificing who we are as
>Americans. We will do it by upholding the principles of 'liberty and
>justice for all.'"
>
> --Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
> http://cantwell.senate.gov/
>
>
>"A time of crisis is one of the greatest tests of a democracy. Our
>nation is rooted in the fundamental principles of freedom and justice.
>It is during these times of conflict, and fear, that we need to
>protect those principles the most. These principles must guide our
>actions in the days, weeks, and months to come. . . . We must never
>allow terrorists to gain any victory over us by diminishing our
>country's respect for individual liberty and freedom. . . . Let us
>remember that the Constitution was written in 1789 by men who had won
>the Revolutionary War. They did not live in comfortable and easy
>times of hypothetical enemies. They wrote a Constitution to protect
>individual liberties in times of war as well as in times of peace."
>
> --Senator Russell Feingold (D-WI)
> http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/01/09/2001912C11.html
>
>
>"Our values, our resolve, our commitment, our sense of community will
>serve us well. I am confident that, as a nation, we will seek and
>serve justice. Our Nation, my neighbors and friends in Vermont demand
>no less, but we must not let the terrorists win. If we abandon our
>democracy to battle them, they win. If we forget our role as the
>world's leader to defeat them, they win. And we will win. We will
>maintain our democracy, and with justice, we will use our strength. We
>will not lose our commitment to the rule of law, no matter how much
>the provocation, because that rule of law has protected us throughout
>the centuries. It has created our democracy. It has made us what we
>are in history."
>
> --Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
> http://www.senate.gov/~leahy/press/200109/091201.html
>
>
>"In truth, the people of this country are big in heart and strong in
>character. We will maintain our open society and fight terrorism
>around the globe with freedom loving peoples everywhere. And we will
>prevail."
>
> --Congressman Tom Allen (D-ME)
> http://tomallen.house.gov/showart.asp?contentID=425
>
>
>"There will be ... inconvenience. But we will not violate people's
>basic rights as we make this nation more secure. We can do that in
>democracies. It can't be done in tyrannies, because tyrannies do not
>enjoy the general good will and support of the people who are willing
>to suffer inconvenience and good nature with a confidence that the
>nation will protect their rights."
>
> --Congressman Dick Armey (R-TX)
> http://www.freedom.org/
>
>
>"What we must avoid, however, is the knee-jerk reaction to pass more
>laws restricting the civil liberties of American citizens. The
>tragedies of this attack will only be compounded by giving the
>government more power at the expense of our civil liberties. If we
>cannot stop this sort of attack with all of the power our government
>agencies already have, then we are in very serious trouble."
>
> --Congressman Bob Barr (R-GA)
> http://www.house.gov/barr/
>
>
>"In responding to this heinous attack, we must reaffirm our commitment
>to uphold our Constitution, including the rights guaranteed to every
>American in the Bill of Rights. These precious rights have been
>secured by the blood and sacrifices of Americans for more than 225
>years. I am confident in the ability of today's generation of
>Americans to honor those sacrifices and the memories of those killed
>in the attacks on September 11, 2001. We have an obligation to
>overcome this latest challenge to freedom while honoring our
>Constitution and preserving the rights it guarantees for ourselves,
>our children, and our children's children."
>
> --Congressman Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD)
> http://www.house.gov/bartlett/pr010912.htm
>
>
>"The challenge ahead will require strengthening U.S. defenses and
>intelligence at home in ways consistent with American values.
>Embassies and military bases must be better defended along with
>domestic airports and other civilian targets. But this does not mean
>that we can allow terrorists to alter the fundamental openness of U.S.
>society or the government's respect for civil liberties. If we do so,
>they will have won."
>
> --Senator Max Baucus (D-MT)
> http://www.senate.gov/~baucus/maxstatements.html
>
>
>"[I]n the coming days, there may be some calls to assess blame and to
>limit the individual liberties and freedoms we enjoy as Americans. I
>urge my colleagues to resist these efforts, no matter how well
>intended. The founding principle of our nation is the right to pursue
>life, liberty and happiness, and we must recognize the risks that we
>assume with our freedom. The lives of each American [were] changed
>forever by the awful acts carried out yesterday. But we must not
>sacrifice our freedoms, and our way of life in the name of fear to
>those who seek a weakened, disconnected America. To use fear as a
>means to limit our freedom will only serve the goals of those who
>undertook these heinous attacks against America. Today is the day to
>recognize the abiding strength of our nation and tell the world, in
>particular those who seek to cause our nation harm, that the Americans
>who perished on September 11, 2001 did not do so in vain.
>
> --Congressman Ken Bentsen (D-TX)
> http://www.house.gov/bentsen/prterror2.htm
>
>
>"As the dust settles, we find ourselves confronting an enemy that is
>both evil and elusive. But the world must know that, today, America
>stands stronger than ever -- a nation sworn to defend freedom,
>tolerance, diversity and democracy. Those terrorists who attempt to
>extinguish our spirit must know that these are ideals we Americans
>will never surrender. I come from Michigan, home to hundreds of
>thousands of Arab Americans and American Muslims. Already, leaders in
>the community there -- patriotic Americans who every day give so much
>to this country, who have condemned these attacks, and who are as
>sickened by the carnage as everyone else -- have been getting death
>threats. Such hateful prejudice offends us all. Even as we struggle
>to clear away the rubble and charred wreckage, heal our wounds, mourn
>our dead and seek ultimate justice, Americans must also stand together
>against this bigotry."
>
> --Congressman David Bonior (D-MI)
> http://davidbonior.house.gov/Speeches/091201_terrorist_attack.htm
>
>
>"We are a nation of law, and while our response must be decisive, it
>also must be focused. The civil liberties of all within our borders
>are paramount, regardless of who is responsible for these acts of
>terror. If we undermine individual rights in reaction to today's
>events, we may win a battle, but hand a victory to the enemies of
>freedom everywhere."
>
> --Congressman Chris Cannon (R-UT)
> http://www.house.gov/cannon/press2001/sept11.htm
>
>
>"We must take the necessary precautions to safeguard our lives and
>American interests, but we must not relinquish our cherished freedoms."
>
> --Congresswoman Eva Clayton (D-NC)
> http://www.house.gov/clayton/
>
>
>"Just as this horrendous act can destroy us from without, it can also
>destroy us from within. Pearl Harbor led to internment camps of
>Japanese-Americans, and today there is a very real danger that this
>tragedy could result in prejudice, discrimination, and crimes of hate
>against Arab-Americans and others. The lesson Oklahoma City taught us
>was the perpetrators of these acts of terror can be evil men of every
>race, nationality and religion as are the victims. We must ensure that
>these acts of terror do not slowly and subversively destroy the
>foundation of our democracy: a commitment to equal rights and equal
>protection."
>
> --Congressman John Conyers (D-MI)
> http://www.house.gov/conyers/pr091201.htm
>
>
>"Frisking everyone on the planet to find the one person with the
>weapon is a high-cost, low-yield way to go. That's a fair analogy to
>searching through everyone's e-mail. Not only do such schemes
>threaten civil liberties, they are such scattershot approaches that
>they're bound to fail. ... The notion that we can reorganize every
>aspect of civil society to protect against terrorism is fool's gold."
>
> --Congressman Christopher Cox (R-CA)
> http://www.house.gov/cox/
>
>
>"In striking at us, the terrorists sought to exploit the openness of
>our society, and to shake the foundations of the civilized order which
>America sustains. They will fail. Our challenge now -- and the test
>of our democracy -- is to harness our own raw anger and passion. To
>respond in a manner that is firm, clear and just; that befits a great
>nation; and that honors our own ideals."
>
> --Congressman William Delahunt (D-MA)
> http://www.house.gov/delahunt/terroristattack.htm
>
>
>"We must not direct our anger against innocent citizens of Middle
>Eastern or South Asian heritage. Our nation is a beacon of justice in
>the world and the freedom of our peoples must not be degraded by any
>heinous acts of violence. As a nation of a free and proud people, we
>must not allow any terrorist attacks to justify violence or
>persecution of our fellow citizens, whatever their heritage may be."
>
> --Congressman Benjamin Gilman (R-NY)
> http://www.gop.gov/item-news.asp?N=20010913150948
>
>
>"We must be bipartisan, balanced, and calm. Panic and partisanship
>are our enemies. And as one colleague said this morning, the
>Constitution of the United States must not be our next casualty. We
>must ... respect the civil liberties and intelligence of Americans.
>We are a generous, courageous and resilient Nation. Given
>information, resources and leadership, the American people will rise
>to any challenge and fight down any assault to take from us our way of
>life."
>
> --Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-CA)
> http://www.house.gov/harman/
>
>
>Even at this painful time, we must remember that international
>terrorism cannot be combated by turning our free society into an
>armed fortress.
>
> --Congressman Rush Holt (D-NJ)
> http://www.house.gov/rholt/
>
>
>"As we move forward in the days to come, we must carefully use words
>such as 'safety' and 'order,' and we must be cautious when calling for
>actions that 'need to be taken for the good of the people.' I
>encourage my colleagues to be wary of any suggested government action
>that would infringe on our freedoms. Any encroachment of our civil
>liberties is a victory for the perpetrators of yesterday's heinous
>crimes. We must continually bear in mind the words of Benjamin
>Franklin when he had stated that 'those who would sacrifice their
>essential liberty to seek a small portion of temporary safety deserve
>neither liberty nor safety.' Freedom is not our greatest liability,
>it is our greatest asset."
>
> --Congressman Timothy Johnson (R-IL)
> http://www.house.gov/johnson/
>
>
>"We take enormous pride in the freedoms we enjoy. Societies without
>freedom find it easier to ward off attacks. Yesterday we paid a great
>price for our freedom. We can and will act to reduce the chances of
>these attacks in the future, but we will never give up our freedoms."
>
> --Congressman John J. LaFalce (D-NY)
>
>http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny29_lafalce/pr010913terrorattack
>.html
>
>
>"We will show our resolve to our enemies. America and its citizens
>will not abdicate the values and freedoms that have made this nation
>great. We unequivocally declare that today America remains steadfast
>in its commitment to ensuring that terrorism will not dim the beacon
>of liberty and freedom."
>
> --Congressman John Linder (R-GA)
> http://www.house.gov/linder/editorial_terrorism.htm
>
>
>"The terrorist forces against us would see us brought to our knees and
>see us shaking in terror. They would have us back away from the
>freedoms we hold dear. But they must be made to understand that those
>freedoms are the result of 200 years of struggle. Nothing within the
>terrorists' power can daunt this great democracy and its resolve."
>
> --Congressman Ken Lucas (D-KY)
> http://www.house.gov/kenlucas/PressRelease.2.htm
>
>
>"The leaders of our country will now focus on ensuring that justice is
>served. We should be rational about our strategy, we will focus on
>protecting our future and promise to uphold your freedom and your
>every liberty."
>
> --Congressman Jim Matheson (D-UT)
> http://matheson.house.gov/display2.cfm?id=733&type=News
>
>
>"We must not act in haste -- rush to act out our vengeance against
>fellow Americans -- because America is the world's greatest melting
>pot, and in today's society, we simply cannot guess at an individual's
>country of natural origin by their appearance. We have to make sure
>that we make war on terrorism -- not on Arabs! We must make a further
>distinction between the war on terrorism and the war on Americans of
>Near or South Asian descent. There have been many references to a
>second Pearl Harbor, and while the shock and anger certainly are
>similar and warranted, that anger should not be directed towards our
>neighbors in ethnic communities across the country. We do not need
>the attitudes that will lead to a second wave of internment camps."
>
> --Congressman Jim McDermott (D-WA)
> http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/Terrorist-FS.htm
>
>
>"America must also stand firm, though, in its commitment to civil
>liberties for all of our people. In the coming months and years, all
>of us will have to make accommodations to heightened security at our
>airports, Federal buildings, and other large landmarks. We can and
>must make those accommodations and in a manner that is wholly
>consistent with the U.S. Constitution."
>
> --Congressman James Moran (D-VA)
> http://www.house.gov/moran/20010912b.htm
>
>
>"[A]ll New Yorkers understand and feel empathy for those who lost loved
>ones on hijacked flights. New Yorkers, and indeed all Americans, will
>remember those victims at the Pentagon, for putting their lives at
>risk and paying the ultimate price, so that we can live our lives in
>freedom. In the end, that is what this comes down to -- our freedom.
>To the majority of the world, our nation stands as a beacon of hope.
>To those who want to crush freedom, to have people live in fear, our
>nation stands as a rebuke as well as a threat. However, what those
>enemies of freedom fail to understand is that no amount of physical
>damage can kill the ideals for which this nation stands. Just as
>Pearl Harbor roused the sleeping giant to crush those who attacked it,
>this nation must crush those who have declared war on us now. [...]
>Today, we stand united, to mourn our losses, but determined to show
>the resolve upon which nation has always prided itself, as we rebuild.
>We will show the strength that can only be found in a free people. In
>the words of Lincoln, today, "we here highly resolve that these dead
>shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a
>new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the
>people, for the people shall not perish from the earth."
>
> --Congressman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
> http://www.house.gov/nadler/hijackrelease.htm
>
>
>"Demanding domestic security in times of war invites carelessness in
>preserving civil liberties and the right of privacy. Frequently the
>people are only too anxious for their freedoms to be sacrificed on the
>altar of authoritarianism thought to be necessary to remain safe and
>secure. Nothing would please the terrorists more than if we willingly
>gave up some of our cherished liberties while defending ourselves from
>their threat."
>
> --Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
> http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2001/pr091201.htm
>
>
>"[W]e must not let these attacks on our country weaken our resolve to
>maintain a free and open society that all countries can emulate. We
>must now show the world that our country will continue to stand strong
>in the face of tragedy. We must show the cowards responsible that
>they will not win."
>
> --Congressman David Phelps (D-IL)
> http://www.house.gov/phelps/
>
>
>"It has been said that America will never be the same again -- that we
>have crossed a threshold of innocence. That may be so, but in our
>zeal to provide a new level of security, we must guard against going
>so far that we trade away the rights and privileges of a free society.
>In reacting to this incident, we must not allow the hate of our
>attackers to destroy our own decency and commitment to justice."
>
> --Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY)
> http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny15_rangel/wtcpr.html
>
>
>"Additionally, as we consider legislation to address this crisis, each
>proposal must be passed before the great lens of the Constitution, the
>cornerstone of our Republic and our freedoms."
>
> -Congresswoman Lynn Rivers (D-MI)
> http://www.house.gov/rivers/news_terroriststatement.shtml
>
>
>"As we console the families of the victims, as we remind ourselves
>about the core American values of freedom and democracy, and as we
>make plans to deal with the terrorists, we must remember who we are as
>a people. We are the participants of a great democratic undertaking,
>a national project which stands as an example for the rest of the
>world. We have a duty to perfect and protect our Nation, and we must
>never be swayed from the road towards freedom and democracy for
>ourselves and as a beacon for the planet."
>
> --Congressman Ron Underwood (D-Guam)
> http://www.house.gov/underwood/
>
>
>"Finally, in the process of combating international terrorism, we must
>neither abandon American civil liberties nor express our fears and
>anger by indiscriminately striking out against those with different
>names, skin color or religion."
>
> -Congressman David Wu (D-OR)
> http://www.house.gov/wu/
>
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