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[CSL] "Don't mention the war"

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Joanne Roberts <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:40:03 +0100

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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:22:04 +1000
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From: Phil Graham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: "Don't mention the war"


By Brigadier Adrian D'Hage *
In Sydney Morning Herald, September 28, 2001

The US is at war.  It may not seem like it, but in amongst the grand
finals=
=20
and the Spring weather, Australia is also at war.  Four out of five=20
Australians are solidly behind the Prime Minister's declaration.  In
the=20
meantime the signals coming out of Washington are on the one hand
confusing=
=20
and on the other unequivocal.

On Wednesday, the US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declared there
would=
=20
be no marked beginning.  No massive strikes.  Then why are there no
less=20
than four Carrier Groups, complete with destroyer and submarine
escorts=20
massing in the Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf?  Was this designed
to=20
frighten the Taliban into submission?  If so, it is unlikely to=20
succeed.  Or was it designed for domestic consumption?  The
understandable=
=20
need to do something.  In reality there is caution.  There has been a=20

realization within the Pentagon that this nut will not be easy to=20
crack.  Air strikes will not succeed unless they are directed against=20

specific targets by Special Forces.  They are there already.
Outstanding=20
young men. Superbly trained. Silently observing.  The mountain goats
will=20
be grateful for that.  But if there are 300,000 fanatics participating
in a=
=20
holy Jihad and a passport to heaven, it will take much more than
Special=20
Forces.  And in another few weeks, the dust storms will be replaced
by=20
driving snow.  At least the land mines will be covered.

In contrast to his Defense Secretary, the President has been=20
unequivocal.  We are part of their grief, but the rhetoric is=20
disturbing.  'We will not stop until the last terrorist group of
global=20
reach is eliminated.'  It is simply not deliverable. And there is a
danger=
=20
of escalation into global conflict in a form the world has never=20
experienced. The initial description of a 'Christian Crusade' has not=20

helped.  Any war is ugly.  Religious wars are horrendous.  This
campaign=20
could run for years in several different countries.  Other cells may
be=20
identified in Egypt or the Sudan.  Without any debate, the youth of
this=20
country, many still in school, are signed up to fight. Four out of
five=20
Australians support this.

So in our haste to fight alongside Uncle Sam, we Australians need to
know=20
what we've signed up for.  The 'WHY' of this incredible anger toward the
US=
=20
and now potentially, Australia.  Perhaps now is not the time, yet
nowhere=20
in the President's speech is the slightest hint the US can see things
from=
=20
the other side of the fence.  The President has asked why do they hate
us?=
=20
'They hate what we see right here in this chamber,' he said.  'A=20
democratically elected Government=85 they hate our freedoms.'

Wrong.

Even moderate Arab and Islamic communities are in despair over US=20
policies.  The entire casualty list of lower Manhattan is replicated
_every=
=20
month_ in Iraq as a result of US sponsored sanctions.  Mainly women
and=20
children.  Saddam and his murderous henchmen, previously sponsored by
the=20
US, eat well.  And a little to the west, 800,000 Palestinians have
lost=20
their homes, their sons, their daughters. We would do well to remember
that=
=20
'a man without a country is a man without dignity.'

The Israeli's too have suffered dreadfully, but their PR machine is=20
better.  When the hard-line general - now Prime Minister - Ariel Sharon
was=
=20
Defense Minister, hundreds of Palestinian women and children were
massacred=
=20
at Sabra and Shatilla.  He was found by the Kahan Commission to bear=20
'personal responsibility.'  It matters not, the US support the
hard-line.=20
As a result, we now support what has accurately been described by
Noam=20
Chomsky as 'What the US Says Goes'.

War. I have had the great privilege of serving with the young men and
women=
=20
of the ADF and whatever the Government of the day asks - they will=20
deliver.  But even an untrained eye can spot an exhausted engineer on=20

Nauru.  Chiefs of Staff - take note.  There are limits to their=20
loyalty.  Keep giving them impossible tasks driven by political=20
stubbornness and they will vote with their feet - if they haven't=20
already.  Conscription is not out of the question.  And there is an=20
extraordinary irony in this frenzied construction. On the one hand we=20

support the barbed wire and Howard's Armada.  On the other we
strongly=20
support a war that is about to produce another 2 million desperate=20
Afghans.  Howard's Armada is costing $3 million a day. There will be
value=
=20
for money.

I may be a slow learner, but as a soldier of some 37 years, I can say
with=
=20
some authority that war should be an absolute last resort. It is time
to=20
take a step back.  It is time for a change of policy.  Engage these=20
desperate communities.  Construct schools and hospitals.  Instead of=20
spending 200 thousand million dollars trying to get two rockets to=20
intersect in the stratosphere - when terrorists can wipe you out at
300=20
feet - put it into food, training and agriculture.  Start a dialogue.
Find=
=20
out 'why'.  But whatever you do in this surreal pre-election period -=20

'don't mention the war.'

* Brigadier Adrian D'Hag=E9 headed the planning for Defence Security for
the=
=20
Olympics.  He was awarded the Military Cross for service in Vietnam and
the=
=20
Order of Australia.  He holds degrees in Science and Theology and a=20
Bookmaker's Clerk's license. He is currently writing a novel.=20

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