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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:43:08 +0100
From: "W.J.Gregory" <[log in to unmask]>
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I am forwarding this e-mail received from a colleague.
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sorry to send this out unsolicited but I think the issue is important
enough
to neglect normal customs. below is an interview with the most
referenced
academic alive, whose article US newspapers will not publish.
thanks,
z
Noam Chomsky on the prospects for war
Tue Sep 18 '01
"If Pakistan does submit to U.S. demands, it is not impossible that the
government will be overthrown by forces much like the Taliban -- who in
this
case will have nuclear weapons. That could have an effect throughout the
region, including the oil producing states. At this point we are
considering
the possibility of a war that may destroy much of human society."
Interviewing Chomsky on Radio B92, Belgrade
~ Why do you think these attacks happened?
To answer the question we must first identify the perpetrators of the
crimes. It is generally assumed, plausibly, that their origin is the
Middle
East region, and that the attacks probably trace back to the Osama Bin
Laden
network, a widespread and complex organization, doubtless inspired by
Bin
Laden but not necessarily acting under his control. Let us assume that
this
is true. Then to answer your question a sensible person would try to
ascertain Bin Laden's views, and the sentiments of the large reservoir
of
supporters he has throughout the region. About all of this, we have a
great
deal of information. Bin Laden has been interviewed extensively over the
years by highly reliable Middle East specialists, notably the most
eminent
correspondent in the region, Robert Fisk (London 'Independent'), who has
intimate knowledge of the entire region and direct experience over
decades.
A Saudi Arabian millionaire, Bin Laden became a militant Islamic leader
in
the war to drive the Russians out of Afghanistan. He was one of the many
religious fundamentalist extremists recruited, armed, and financed by
the
CIA and their allies in Pakistani intelligence to cause maximal harm to
the
Russians -- quite possibly delaying their withdrawal, many analysts
suspect -- though whether he personally happened to have direct contact
with
the CIA is unclear, and not particularly important. Not surprisingly,
the
CIA preferred the most fanatic and cruel fighters they could mobilize.
The
end result was to "destroy a moderate regime and create a fanatical one,
from groups recklessly financed by the Americans" ('London Times'
correspondent Simon Jenkins, also a specialist on the region). These
"Afghanis" as they are called (many, like Bin Laden, not from
Afghanistan)
carried out terror operations across the border in Russia, but they
terminated these after Russia withdrew. Their war was not against
Russia,
which they despise, but against the Russian occupation and Russia's
crimes
against Muslims.
The "Afghanis" did not terminate their activities, however. They joined
Bosnian Muslim forces in the Balkan Wars; the US did not object, just as
it
tolerated Iranian support for them, for complex reasons that we need not
pursue here, apart from noting that concern for the grim fate of the
Bosnians was not prominent among them. The "Afghanis" are also fighting
the
Russians in Chechnya, and, quite possibly, are involved in carrying out
terrorist attacks in Moscow and elsewhere in Russian territory. Bin
Laden
and his "Afghanis" turned against the US in 1990 when they established
permanent bases in Saudi Arabia -- from his point of view, a counterpart
to
the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, but far more significant because
of
Saudi Arabia's special status as the guardian of the holiest shrines.
Bin Laden is also bitterly opposed to the corrupt and repressive regimes
of
the region, which he regards as "un-Islamic," including the Saudi
Arabian
regime, the most extreme Islamic fundamentalist regime in the world,
apart
from the Taliban, and a close US ally since its origins. Bin Laden
despises
the US for its support of these regimes. Like others in the region, he
is
also outraged by long-standing US support for Israel's brutal military
occupation, now in its 35th year: Washington's decisive diplomatic,
military, and economic intervention in support of the killings, the
harsh
and destructive siege over many years, the daily humiliation to which
Palestinians are subjected, the expanding settlements designed to break
the
occupied territories into Bantustan-like cantons and take control of the
resources, the gross violation of the Geneva Conventions, and other
actions
that are recognized as crimes throughout most of the world, apart from
the
US, which has prime responsibility for them. And like others, he
contrasts
Washington's dedicated support for these crimes with the decade-long
US-British assault against the civilian population of Iraq, which has
devastated the society and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths while
strengthening Saddam Hussein -- who was a favored friend and ally of the
US
and Britain right through his worst atrocities, including the gassing of
the
Kurds, as people of the region also remember well, even if Westerners
prefer
to forget the facts. These sentiments are very widely shared. The 'Wall
Street Journal' (Sept. 14) published a survey of opinions of wealthy and
privileged Muslims in the Gulf region (bankers, professionals,
businessmen
with close links to the U.S.). They expressed much the same views:
resentment of the U.S. policies of supporting Israeli crimes and
blocking
the international consensus on a diplomatic settlement for many years
while
devastating Iraqi civilian society, supporting harsh and repressive
anti-democratic regimes throughout the region, and imposing barriers
against
economic development by "propping up oppressive regimes." Among the
great
majority of people suffering deep poverty and oppression, similar
sentiments
are far more bitter, and are the source of the fury and despair that has
led
to suicide bombings, as commonly understood by those who are interested
in
the facts.
~ The U.S., and much of the West, prefers a more comforting story. To
quote
the lead analysis in the 'New York Times' (Sept. 16), the perpetrators
acted
out of "hatred for the values cherished in the West as freedom,
tolerance,
prosperity, religious pluralism and universal suffrage." U.S. actions
are
irrelevant, and therefore need not even be mentioned (Serge Schmemann).
This
is a convenient picture, and the general stance is not unfamiliar in
intellectual history; in fact, it is close to the norm. It happens to be
completely at variance with everything we know, but has all the merits
of
self-adulation and uncritical support for power.
It is also widely recognized that Bin Laden and others like him are
praying
for "a great assault on Muslim states," which will cause "fanatics to
flock
to his cause" (Jenkins, and many others.). That too is familiar. The
escalating cycle of violence is typically welcomed by the harshest and
most
brutal elements on both sides, a fact evident enough from the recent
history
of the Balkans, to cite only one of many cases.
~ What consequences will they have on US inner policy and to the
American
self reception?
US policy has already been officially announced. The world is being
offered
a "stark choice": join us, or "face the certain prospect of death and
destruction." Congress has authorized the use of force against any
individuals or countries the President determines to be involved in the
attacks, a doctrine that every supporter regards as ultra-criminal. That
is
easily demonstrated. Simply ask how the same people would have reacted
if
Nicaragua had adopted this doctrine after the U.S. had rejected the
orders
of the World Court to terminate its "unlawful use of force" against
Nicaragua and had vetoed a Security Council resolution calling on all
states
to observe international law. And that terrorist attack was far more
severe
and destructive even than this atrocity.
As for how these matters are perceived here, that is far more complex.
One
should bear in mind that the media and the intellectual elites generally
have their particular agendas. Furthermore, the answer to this question
is,
in significant measure, a matter of decision: as in many other cases,
with
sufficient dedication and energy, efforts to stimulate fanaticism, blind
hatred, and submission to authority can be reversed. We all know that
very
well.
~Do you expect U.S. to profoundly change their policy to the rest of the
world?
The initial response was to call for intensifying the policies that led
to
the fury and resentment that provides the background of support for the
terrorist attack, and to pursue more intensively the agenda of the most
hard
line elements of the leadership: increased militarization, domestic
regimentation, attack on social programs. That is all to be expected.
Again,
terror attacks, and the escalating cycle of violence they often
engender,
tend to reinforce the authority and prestige of the most harsh and
repressive elements of a society. But there is nothing inevitable about
submission to this course.
~ After the first shock, came fear of what the U.S. answer is going to
be.
Are you afraid, too?
Every sane person should be afraid of the likely reaction -- the one
that
has already been announced, the one that probably answers Bin Laden's
prayers. It is highly likely to escalate the cycle of violence, in the
familiar way, but in this case on a far greater scale.
The U.S. has already demanded that Pakistan terminate the food and other
supplies that are keeping at least some of the starving and suffering
people
of Afghanistan alive. If that demand is implemented, unknown numbers of
people who have not the remotest connection to terrorism will die,
possibly
millions. Let me repeat: the U.S. has demanded that Pakistan kill
possibly
millions of people who are themselves victims of the Taliban. This has
nothing to do even with revenge. It is at a far lower moral level even
than
that. The significance is heightened by the fact that this is mentioned
in
passing, with no comment, and probably will hardly be noticed. We can
learn
a great deal about the moral level of the reigning intellectual culture
of
the West by observing the reaction to this demand. I think we can be
reasonably confident that if the American population had the slightest
idea
of what is being done in their name, they would be utterly appalled. It
would be instructive to seek historical precedents.
If Pakistan does not agree to this and other U.S. demands, it may come
under
direct attack as well -- with unknown consequences. If Pakistan does
submit
to U.S. demands, it is not impossible that the government will be
overthrown
by forces much like the Taliban -- who in this case will have nuclear
weapons. That could have an effect throughout the region, including the
oil
producing states. At this point we are considering the possibility of a
war
that may destroy much of human society.
Even without pursuing such possibilities, the likelihood is that an
attack
on Afghans will have pretty much the effect that most analysts expect:
it
will enlist great numbers of others to support of Bin Laden, as he
hopes.
Even if he is killed, it will make little difference. His voice will be
heard on cassettes that are distributed throughout the Islamic world,
and he
is likely to be revered as a martyr, inspiring others. It is worth
bearing
in mind that one suicide bombing -- a truck driven into a U.S. military
base -- drove the world's major military force out of Lebanon 20 years
ago.
The opportunities for such attacks are endless. And suicide attacks are
very
hard to prevent.
~ "The world will never be the same after 11.09.01". Do you think so?
The horrendous terrorist attacks on Tuesday are something quite new in
world
affairs, not in their scale and character, but in the target. For the
US,
this is the first time since the War of 1812 that its national territory
has
been under attack, even threat. It's colonies have been attacked, but
not
the national territory itself. During these years the US virtually
exterminated the indigenous population, conquered half of Mexico,
intervened
violently in the surrounding region, conquered Hawaii and the
Philippines
(killing hundreds of thousands of Filipinos), and in the past half
century
particularly, extended its resort to force throughout much of the world.
The
number of victims is colossal. For the first time, the guns have been
directed the other way. The same is true, even more dramatically, of
Europe.
Europe has suffered murderous destruction, but from internal wars,
meanwhile
conquering much of the world with extreme brutality. It has not been
under
attack by its victims outside, with rare exceptions (the IRA in England,
for
example). It is therefore natural that NATO should rally to the support
of
the US; hundreds of years of imperial violence have an enormous impact
on
the intellectual and moral culture.
It is correct to say that this is a novel event in world history, not
because of the scale of the atrocity -- regrettably -- but because of
the
target. How the West chooses to react is a matter of supreme importance.
If
the rich and powerful choose to keep to their traditions of hundreds of
years and resort to extreme violence, they will contribute to the
escalation
of a cycle of violence, in a familiar dynamic, with long-term
consequences
that could be awesome. Of course, that is by no means inevitable. An
aroused
public within the more free and democratic societies can direct policies
towards a much more humane and honorable course.
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Dr Wendy Gregory
Research Director
Business School
The University of Hull
Hull HU6 7RX
Britain.
Telephone: (+44)(0)1482-465960
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