Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:25:11 +1000
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From: Phil Graham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Fwd: Re(2): [p-i] Re(2): telling children

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>[log in to unmask] writes:
> >>The
> >>disasters of the past can be a source of strength if we understand that
> >>things COULD be different if human initiative had been guided by making
> >>human suffering on the scales we have seen a NEVER AGAIN. What it takes
> >>is,
> >>I think our duty to try to work out.
> >
> >it is my experience that most folks - adults and children - don't
> >especially care about history much, or geography, for that matter. as
> >well, history is still subject to nationalism, not stories, but
> >culturally-contrived nationalist narratives, not insight, but affirmation
> >of cultural right-ness and (oiy over-used word - but cultural domination)
> >- history is still about rationalisations, justification,
> >and while i rather like the Kantian tones of our duty to work it out, to
> >understand, i know of no such investment within the institutional
> >guardians of such understandings... not to be a pessimist, but being
smart
> >about the past is not nearly so seductive as being faster,
> >better,stronger,  richer... all these imply safety, of course, ...if one
> >is faster, better, richer, s/he is safe.
> >diane
> >
>I had a lunchtime discussion with one of the research assistants in the
>lab Friday ( seriously I do have a man friday as an assistant). He asked
>why don't we teach people to think logically. You don't need me to tell
>you why I thought this was problematic.
>
>A lot of my time is concerned with international (online) education. I
>have drawn in the past on ideas written eloquently by  Shirley Sternberg
>and Joe Kinchloe. Knichloe and Sternberg plea for a curriculum in which:
>....the argument advanced by Kinchloe and Steinberg (1993) that modern
>analysis of our world understanding needs to establish  cognitive theories
>that  transcend deterministic Newtonian-Cartesian certainties. Kinchloe
>and Steinberg postulate a need  for post-formal thinking (in the Piagetian
>sense). The features of a
>curriculum that cultivate this  thinking are:
>
>epistomology - the exploration of the forces that produce what the culture
>validates as knowledge;
>pattern - the understanding of the connecting patterns and relationships
>that undergird the lived world;
>  process - the cultivation of new ways to read the world that attempt to
>make sense of both ourselves and contemporary society;
>contextualisation - the appreciation that knowledge can never stand alone
>or be complete in and of itself.
>
>Kinchloe, J.L. ; Steinberg,S.R. " A tentative description of Post-Formal
>Thinking: The Critical Confrontation with Cognitive theory", Harvard
>Educational Review, Vol. 63, no 3, pp 296-319,1993
>
>It is a fair description of the international collaborative curriculum
>that successive projects I work on are trying to achieve. You can only get
>there by working at it. Maybe I am like Paul Dillon today and in a rare
>moment of optimism.
>
>"In the process of enlightenment there are only participants"
>Habermas
>
>what? do you think?
>M.
>
>Martin Owen
>Labordy Dysgu- Learning Lab
>Prifysgol Cymru Bangor- University of Wales, Bangor
>
>"How do you explain school to a higher intelligence?"
>
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