Dan
this URL is far enough in to be useful
http://www.plexusinstitute.com/edgeware/archive/index.html
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr Dan Munday" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: READING LIST
> Dear Tim
>
> Do you have the URL for the plexus website. I can't find it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 23 August 2001 02:09, Tim Wilson [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] wrote:
> > I agree with Jim about what a good book it is but it is free on the
> Plexus Website. I bought it and wished I hadn't!!
> >
> > Tim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Price
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: READING LIST
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > No one seems to have mentioned Edgeware yet - surely THE handbook for
> us
> > all in the NHS at the moment (doctors, nurses, managers and especially
> > politicians!).
> >
> > Full title : 'Edgeware : insights from complexity science for health
> > care leaders' Zimmerman, Lindberg, Plsek VHA Inc., Texas 1998 / 2001.
> >
> > A primer beyond all primers for health professionals interested in
> > complexity science. I've read it on the beach in Cornwall, and it was
> > much more interesting than Jeffrey Archer ever was. $38.95 from
> > amazon.com (not amazon.co.uk) - you won't regret the cost of having it
> > sent from the US.
> >
> > READ IT!
> >
> >
> > Jim Price
> > Chichester
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Complexity and chaos theories applied to primary medical and
> > social care [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
Of
> > St Thomas Medical Group Research Unit
> > Sent: 22 August 2001 09:44
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: READING LIST
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Well done for getting this going. Peter Dick (who is talking at our
> > conference) has got a very interesting bibliography called "Complex
> > Dynamic Systems: an evolving bibliography" and I will see if he will
> put
> > it on website. Peter is qualified in just about everything from
> > theoretical physics to philosophy and I'm not quite sure how he even
> has
> > time to read all the books he reviews!
> >
> > Of course the whole issue will be superseded when the Complexity in
> > Primary Care Group bring out their first book next year as this will
be
> > the definitive statement!
> >
> > I think you are right - Cilliers "Complexity and Post Modernism" comes
> > first but I would like to nominate Stacey (Stacey R. Strategic
> > Management and Organisational Dynamics - the challenge of complexity.
> > London: Pearson Education, 2000.). He is particularly good at
> charting
> > the history of how we think about systems although he does rather
> repeat
> > himself. I think he goes a little bit OTT as he travels to the
extreme
> > left wing of the complexity spectrum and basically argues that the
only
> > thing that matters is the shadow conversations we have with each other
> > around the coffee machine.
> >
> > Although this is a very important insight, he is off the ball for two
> > reasons. Firstly, systems can only evolve on the basis of their
> > history. We are not going to suddenly shift from a command and
control
> > based society to a complex responsive process overnight. Secondly,
and
> > probably more importantly Funtowicz draws a distinction between
> ordinary
> > complexity (characterised by a complementarity of competition and
> > co-operation within a diversity of elements) and emergent complexity
(a
> > system that frequently oscillates between hegemony and fragmentation
as
> > diversity and innovation is impeded). The implication is that we need
> > someone a little out of the system.
> >
> > The concept of governmentality recognises a move away from government
> as
> > a "master institution" with its implication of command and control to
> > one of managing and overseeing a population so that they flourish.
The
> > focus is on the "conduct of conduct". This guards against emergent
> > complexity always assuming of course that there is a rich interaction
> > between population and government. Something like that anyway.
> >
> > Hope to see you all at the conference. A Medical sick note is the
only
> > excuse for non attendance!
> >
> > David
> >
> > Dr David Kernick
> > St Thomas Health Centre
> > Cowick Street
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> > No one seems to have mentioned Edgeware yet - surely THE handbook for
> us all in the NHS at the moment (doctors, nurses, managers and especially
> politicians!).
> >
> >
> >
> > Full title : 'Edgeware : insights from complexity science for health
> care leaders' Zimmerman, Lindberg, Plsek VHA Inc., Texas 1998 / 2001.
> >
> >
> >
> > A primer beyond all primers for health professionals interested in
> complexity science. I've read it on the beach in Cornwall, and it was much
> more interesting than Jeffrey Archer ever was. $38.95 from amazon.com (not
> amazon.co.uk) - you won't regret the cost of having it sent from the US.
> >
> >
> >
> > READ IT!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Price
> >
> > Chichester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Complexity and chaos theories applied to primary medical and
> social care [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of St
> Thomas Medical Group Research Unit
> > Sent: 22 August 2001 09:44
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: READING LIST
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > Well done for getting this going. Peter Dick (who is talking at our
> conference) has got a very interesting bibliography called "Complex
Dynamic
> Systems: an evolving bibliography" and I will see if he will put it on
> website. Peter is qualified in just about everything from theoretical
> physics to philosophy and I'm not quite sure how he even has time to read
> all the books he reviews!
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course the whole issue will be superseded when the Complexity in
> Primary Care Group bring out their first book next year as this will be
the
> definitive statement!
> >
> >
> >
> > I think you are right - Cilliers "Complexity and Post Modernism" comes
> first but I would like to nominate Stacey (Stacey R. Strategic Management
> and Organisational Dynamics - the challenge of complexity. London:
> Pearson Education, 2000.). He is particularly good at charting the
> history of how we think about systems although he does rather repeat
> himself. I think he goes a little bit OTT as he travels to the extreme
> left wing of the complexity spectrum and basically argues that the only
> thing that matters is the shadow conversations we have with each other
> around the coffee machine.
> >
> >
> >
> > Although this is a very important insight, he is off the ball for two
> reasons. Firstly, systems can only evolve on the basis of their history.
> We are not going to suddenly shift from a command and control based
> society to a complex responsive process overnight. Secondly, and probably
> more importantly Funtowicz draws a distinction between ordinary complexity
> (characterised by a complementarity of competition and co-operation within
> a diversity of elements) and emergent complexity (a system that frequently
> oscillates between hegemony and fragmentation as diversity and innovation
> is impeded). The implication is that we need someone a little out of the
> system.
> >
> >
> >
> > The concept of governmentality recognises a move away from government
> as a "master institution" with its implication of command and control to
> one of managing and overseeing a population so that they flourish. The
> focus is on the "conduct of conduct". This guards against emergent
> complexity always assuming of course that there is a rich interaction
> between population and government. Something like that anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope to see you all at the conference. A Medical sick note is the
only
> excuse for non attendance!
> >
> >
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr David Kernick
> > St Thomas Health Centre
> > Cowick Street
> > EXETER
> > EX4 1HJ
> > Telephone: 01392 676679
> > Fax: 01392 676677
> > Email: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > << File: ATT00013.html >>
>
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