Dear Tim
Do you have the URL for the plexus website. I can't find it.
Thanks
Dan
On 23 August 2001 02:09, Tim Wilson [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] wrote:
> I agree with Jim about what a good book it is but it is free on the
Plexus Website. I bought it and wished I hadn't!!
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Price
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:38 PM
> Subject: Re: READING LIST
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> No one seems to have mentioned Edgeware yet - surely THE handbook for
us
> all in the NHS at the moment (doctors, nurses, managers and especially
> politicians!).
>
> Full title : 'Edgeware : insights from complexity science for health
> care leaders' Zimmerman, Lindberg, Plsek VHA Inc., Texas 1998 / 2001.
>
> A primer beyond all primers for health professionals interested in
> complexity science. I've read it on the beach in Cornwall, and it was
> much more interesting than Jeffrey Archer ever was. $38.95 from
> amazon.com (not amazon.co.uk) - you won't regret the cost of having it
> sent from the US.
>
> READ IT!
>
>
> Jim Price
> Chichester
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Complexity and chaos theories applied to primary medical and
> social care [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> St Thomas Medical Group Research Unit
> Sent: 22 August 2001 09:44
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: READING LIST
>
> Chris
>
> Well done for getting this going. Peter Dick (who is talking at our
> conference) has got a very interesting bibliography called "Complex
> Dynamic Systems: an evolving bibliography" and I will see if he will
put
> it on website. Peter is qualified in just about everything from
> theoretical physics to philosophy and I'm not quite sure how he even
has
> time to read all the books he reviews!
>
> Of course the whole issue will be superseded when the Complexity in
> Primary Care Group bring out their first book next year as this will be
> the definitive statement!
>
> I think you are right - Cilliers "Complexity and Post Modernism" comes
> first but I would like to nominate Stacey (Stacey R. Strategic
> Management and Organisational Dynamics - the challenge of complexity.
> London: Pearson Education, 2000.). He is particularly good at
charting
> the history of how we think about systems although he does rather
repeat
> himself. I think he goes a little bit OTT as he travels to the extreme
> left wing of the complexity spectrum and basically argues that the only
> thing that matters is the shadow conversations we have with each other
> around the coffee machine.
>
> Although this is a very important insight, he is off the ball for two
> reasons. Firstly, systems can only evolve on the basis of their
> history. We are not going to suddenly shift from a command and control
> based society to a complex responsive process overnight. Secondly, and
> probably more importantly Funtowicz draws a distinction between
ordinary
> complexity (characterised by a complementarity of competition and
> co-operation within a diversity of elements) and emergent complexity (a
> system that frequently oscillates between hegemony and fragmentation as
> diversity and innovation is impeded). The implication is that we need
> someone a little out of the system.
>
> The concept of governmentality recognises a move away from government
as
> a "master institution" with its implication of command and control to
> one of managing and overseeing a population so that they flourish. The
> focus is on the "conduct of conduct". This guards against emergent
> complexity always assuming of course that there is a rich interaction
> between population and government. Something like that anyway.
>
> Hope to see you all at the conference. A Medical sick note is the only
> excuse for non attendance!
>
> David
>
> Dr David Kernick
> St Thomas Health Centre
> Cowick Street
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>
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> No one seems to have mentioned Edgeware yet - surely THE handbook for
us all in the NHS at the moment (doctors, nurses, managers and especially
politicians!).
>
>
>
> Full title : 'Edgeware : insights from complexity science for health
care leaders' Zimmerman, Lindberg, Plsek VHA Inc., Texas 1998 / 2001.
>
>
>
> A primer beyond all primers for health professionals interested in
complexity science. I've read it on the beach in Cornwall, and it was much
more interesting than Jeffrey Archer ever was. $38.95 from amazon.com (not
amazon.co.uk) - you won't regret the cost of having it sent from the US.
>
>
>
> READ IT!
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim Price
>
> Chichester
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Complexity and chaos theories applied to primary medical and
social care [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of St
Thomas Medical Group Research Unit
> Sent: 22 August 2001 09:44
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: READING LIST
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Well done for getting this going. Peter Dick (who is talking at our
conference) has got a very interesting bibliography called "Complex Dynamic
Systems: an evolving bibliography" and I will see if he will put it on
website. Peter is qualified in just about everything from theoretical
physics to philosophy and I'm not quite sure how he even has time to read
all the books he reviews!
>
>
>
> Of course the whole issue will be superseded when the Complexity in
Primary Care Group bring out their first book next year as this will be the
definitive statement!
>
>
>
> I think you are right - Cilliers "Complexity and Post Modernism" comes
first but I would like to nominate Stacey (Stacey R. Strategic Management
and Organisational Dynamics - the challenge of complexity. London:
Pearson Education, 2000.). He is particularly good at charting the
history of how we think about systems although he does rather repeat
himself. I think he goes a little bit OTT as he travels to the extreme
left wing of the complexity spectrum and basically argues that the only
thing that matters is the shadow conversations we have with each other
around the coffee machine.
>
>
>
> Although this is a very important insight, he is off the ball for two
reasons. Firstly, systems can only evolve on the basis of their history.
We are not going to suddenly shift from a command and control based
society to a complex responsive process overnight. Secondly, and probably
more importantly Funtowicz draws a distinction between ordinary complexity
(characterised by a complementarity of competition and co-operation within
a diversity of elements) and emergent complexity (a system that frequently
oscillates between hegemony and fragmentation as diversity and innovation
is impeded). The implication is that we need someone a little out of the
system.
>
>
>
> The concept of governmentality recognises a move away from government
as a "master institution" with its implication of command and control to
one of managing and overseeing a population so that they flourish. The
focus is on the "conduct of conduct". This guards against emergent
complexity always assuming of course that there is a rich interaction
between population and government. Something like that anyway.
>
>
>
> Hope to see you all at the conference. A Medical sick note is the only
excuse for non attendance!
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> Dr David Kernick
> St Thomas Health Centre
> Cowick Street
> EXETER
> EX4 1HJ
> Telephone: 01392 676679
> Fax: 01392 676677
> Email: [log in to unmask]
>
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