It is interesting that all these issues are also being wrestled with in the
JISC Interoperability pilots. This particular one of ids was a particular
subject of discussion in a meeting of the SURF Interoperability Pilot. This
meeting was attended by four of the major MIS vendors to FE and a suggestion
was made that perhaps a useful contribution that JISC could make on behalf
of both FE and HE sectors would be to support a JISC id which would be
unique to post 16 Education in this country at least. Is this such a stupid
idea (or am I just being naive here)?
Regards
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From: ProFIMS project TECHNICAL GROUP mailing list
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Dr A.C. Marshall
Sent: 18 July 2001 17:36
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Subject: Re: Comments on Adam's comments on Paul's mapping document
Rosemary - I should have said that LIP spec says that
<identification><uid> must be unique, ie, there can only be ONE uid
field within <identification><demographics> - the transcript seems to
require TWO.
Paul suggested contacting IMS and getting them
to remove this constraint, and then I suggested an alternative using
affiliation / affiliationID.
Adam
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Rosemary Burton wrote:
|This is all new to me so I expect I am getting it wrong, but here are some
|thoughts:
|
|Section 1
|
|Does <identification><uid> have to be globally unique? Is such a thing
|possible unless you store DNA or iris patterns?
|Don't all identifiers operate within a defined context (the institution,
the
|country, all Visa customers etc.?)
|
|Not sure that <affiliation><affiliationID> solves the problem entirely. At
|Brookes the student number identifies the course registration, not the
|person, so a student who takes two or more courses at the same institution
|would have two or more student numbers (and a separate transcript for
each).
|
|NI number might be ok for UK students, assuming they will all have had
|vacation or part-time jobs and so will have one by the time they graduate,
|but will overseas students have one?
|
|Do we have to think about other types of identifier eg. those required by
|professional bodies like the English Nursing Board. We could use
|affiliation-affiliationId for these.
|
|I think we have to have an extension that allows for additional
|<identification> unique ids so we can keep the HESA reference plus one or
|more student numbers.
|
|
|Section 2 - sounds ok.
|
| Section 3
|
|I had thought that Name of programme meant the full programme leading to
|whatever award the student ends up with (so qcl) but the years would be
|activities within it. We don't put the intermediate end-of-year awards
|(CertHE, DipHE) on the transcript unless the student is leaving after the
|first or second year. We don't record a pass/fail for the year either.
|Also what about part-time students, who spread a year's work over more than
|one calendar year. For those reasons I would call the programme a
|qualification but the years within it activities.
|
|Section 5
|
|Seems reasonable to me.
|
|Section 7
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|Overview of NQF, overview of UK HE system. Aren't these just explanatory
|text, why do they need to be associated with the individual learner?
|
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