Candice
I think in part Alison was saying she felt 'upset', which I'm sure you'd
agree is something we all have a right to articulate. Something I think that
is latent, and worth emphasis, in her post was that multiplicities of
debate, viewpoint, tone, discussion etc , were starting to peek out on this
list again, now surely that's a desirable quality?
As for ideas of conspiracy, if there is such, I don't know about it, nor I'm
sure does anyone I keep in close contact with. I'd suggest, in a very banal
way, that poetry lists have the nature of exciting strong feelings, and that
we can all get carried away by them. True? I know it's corny but .....
(pray I'm not gonna get clobbered for standing in the middle of this!)
Best
Dave
David Bircumshaw
Leicester, England
Home Page
A Chide's Alphabet
Painting Without Numbers
www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Candice Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: montaigne
> Alison, I simply cannot fathom what gave you any reason to think I was
> referring to you as one of the "bully boys"--when I say "boys" that's what
I
> mean, and the same goes for "bully." Finding Richard's posts offensive is
> not bullying him, which you've never done to my knowledge. Neither have
you
> derailed any discussions here or attacked me, nor have I said anything
that
> could be construed as an accusation against you.
>
> This extraordinary response of yours, on top of Mark's equally unwarranted
> belligerent one, must add up to an indicator of something gone awry here.
> I'm finding it hard to square your apparent obliviousness to the nasty
> atmosphere on Brit-Po lately with your surprisingly overdetermined reading
> of my post as somehow being about you. I'm also wondering, rather
queasily,
> what Mark meant by his mystifying allusion to a back-channel conspiracy.
>
> Candice
>
>
>
> > Candice
> >
> > I find myself rather gasping and feeling rather smeared by your
comments; I
> > don't know if I am one of the bullyboys you refer to, but I rather think
> > so, since I have had serious problems with what I've regarded as some
very
> > offensive posts from Richard Dillon. I do not participate in email
> > discussions in order to be "right", ever; my serious problems with the
> > concept of post modernism have nothing to do with personal grudges
against
> > specific people; and if I am flippant sometimes, that is surely part of
the
> > tenor of discussions which I think of as conversations rather than
> > pedagogical debates. Also, it seemed to me that british poets was
> > beginning to be interesting again, with the usual mishmash of
> > serious/unserious and multipronged discussions. Call me thick if you
like,
> > but I wasn't picking up on any particular bad feeling.
> >
> > Nothing derails debate or conversation more effectively than these kinds
of
> > accusations. It makes it very difficult to participate further, since I
> > feel compromised before I put fingers to keyboard. I hope it's not your
> > intention, but it's certainly the effect.
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> >
> > Alison Croggon
> >
> > Home page
> > http://users.bigpond.com/acroggon/
> > Masthead
> > http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/
>
|