cheers ali
greetings from the gold coast.
komninos
At 01:22 PM 1/24/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi David
>
>The message was meant to be on the poetryetc list. Strange thing it hasn't
>appeared on it. I'll try sending it again. I'm not that familiar with the
>Arabian Nights, but it seems to me that as opposed to the Persian
>Shah-Nameh which I am quiet familiar with, the language of The Arabain
>Nights has evolved of many various retellings, perhaps as bed-time stories
>and fairytales as opposed to the faithful epic recitals which have carried
>the rigid verse of Shah-Nameh through the generations.
>
>Ali
>
>At 12:00 AM 1/24/01 +0000, you wrote:
>>Interesting post, Ali, and I'm inclined to concur with much of it. How does
>>Homer compare with the Arabian Nights, which at least in translation seem to
>>employ a lot of oral-style formulaic repetition?
>>Was this post meant to be back channel or to the poetryetc list, btw, as it
>>hasn't shown on the list?
>>
>>regards
>>
>>david
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: ALI ALIZADEH <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:42 PM
>>Subject: Re: getting back to spatiality
>>
>>
> Something about all the (clumsy?) repetitions in The Odyssey suggests to
>me that the origins of this work were oral. Just about every canto begins
>with the same line about morning, and every time there's a get together
>it's the same "they drank hearty wine and ate chops of lamb" routine. Not
>to mention the rather flat depiction of the main character who, it seems,
>was made up on the spot and has very little space to develop beyond
>'performing' in very 'public' events. A reflection on the text itself?
>Ulysses is always 'tricky' and Athena's constantly 'bright-eyed'. A
>'writer' like Virgil was much more conscious of his versification, meter
>and characters than an 'orator' like Homer. Basically, I don't think
>there's a great deal of thinking gone into Homer's epics, no where near as
>what later Greek writers, Euripides and Sophocles unleashed. To me that's
>an indication that The Odyssey was, quiet possibly, recited and turned into
>'song-lyrics' first before being recorded in writing. But where's this
>argument going anyway? Privileging speech over writing? In
>poetry, of all things? God forbid!
>
>Ali Alizadeh
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>> From: david.bircumshaw
>>> Date: Tue 1/23/01 17:34
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: getting back to spatiality
>>>
>>> Well, the true answer to your question is 'I don't know nor does anybody
>>> else' but, rather than getting into a tangle of hypotheses about the
>>> pedigree of Homer on the calendar, what is, I think, more moot is that
>>oral
>>> poetry in pre-literate cultures and the same in cultures that have reached
>>> the point of saturation where script is necessary are NOT comparable.
>>>
>>> david bircumshaw
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: komninos zervos <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: getting back to spatiality
>>>
>>>
>>> > david said
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >I have this peculiar notion that the Oddysey and Iliad survive as
>>books.
>>> > >Odd, that.
>>> >
>>> > they survived for a long time before they were written down. no?
>>> > komninos
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > komninos's cyberpoetry site http://student.uq.edu.au/~s271502
>>> > cyberpoet@slv site http://www.experimedia.vic.gov.au/cyberpoet/
>>> > komninos zervos, tel. +61 7 5552 8872
>>> > lecturer in cyberStudies,
>>> > school of arts,
>>> > gold coast campus,
>>> > griffith university,
>>> > pmb 50, gold coast mail centre
>>> > queensland, 9726
>>> > australia.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>
komninos's cyberpoetry site http://student.uq.edu.au/~s271502
cyberpoet@slv site http://www.experimedia.vic.gov.au/cyberpoet/
komninos zervos, tel. +61 7 5552 8872
lecturer in cyberStudies,
school of arts,
gold coast campus,
griffith university,
pmb 50, gold coast mail centre
queensland, 9726
australia.
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