Thanks for the replies so far. I paste some discussion with Linda Allin
below. If you're not entirely happy with what's going on, let me know, and
I'll do my best.
Cheers,
James
>From: Linda Allin <[log in to unmask]>
>To: "'James Neill'" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: RE: people in oe
>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:45:39 +0100
>X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
>
>
>JamesThanks for your reply - and I guess I'm happy for it to go public and
>see if
>there is any debate to be had there. I think more background to the posting
>would have been useful and contacting people beforehand. My details are that
>I am in the Division of Sport Sciences at the University of Northumbria, at
>Newcastle upon Tyne, UK where I lecture in sport studies, sociology and
>reserach methods as well as fieldwork programmes (that have an underlying OE
>theme). I'm currently writing up my Phd thesis on 'how do women construct
>their career identities in OE?' concepts careers, physicality, identity,
>gender
>- is that sufficient? e-mail you have.
>look forward to more discussions
>
>Linda
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James Neill [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 22 October 2001 08:00
>To: Linda Allin
>Subject: Re: people in oe
>
>
>
>Hi Linda,
>Thanks for your email - appreciate it.
>
>FYI - That list is entirely out of my head and my personal contacts and
>secondary contacts and put together in the space of half an hour from my
>address book. So its going to have all sorts of warts and errors if it all
>hopes to be representative until people help me shape it up. Over time the
>rough edges which risk upsetting people along the way will hopefully be
>worn away and it can simply be a useful resource. No I haven't asked
>people, but am in the process of contacting each of them in case they
>didn't hear via the OUTRES list. I guess the dilemma I face in adding
>someone is between risking offending them by not including them or as you
>indicate risking offending by choosing different reserach interest
>decriptors than what they'd use themselves. Or maybe I just look at the
>half-full glass and I say I risk a acknowledging their work by including
>them and by suggesting that some areas of their interest and expertise and
>I'll just wear the fall out from the inevitable people that I didn't
>include initially. Depends how people choose to take it. Yes, I agree
>that it is an incredibly small, for me embarrassingly small list of people
>who IMHO really don't even form a clique or a group. I hope the list will
>expand over time to include people from other areas who are doing outdoor
>ed related work. Evaluation vs. research? The reason is simply that
>program evaluation is an area that some people are interested in and people
>looking for people to help with program evaluation may hit on the list,
>looking specifically for contacts in that area to help them out.
>
>Interesting in your thoughts here to see whether or not this 'where its
>coming from' helps to make it sit any better for you - perhaps I should
>have given more background in my initial posting?
>
>So, Linda, please let me know whether I can include you in the list and
>your desired details. We certainly need as many positive contributors from
>related fields as possible.
>
>The problem you describe regarding the gender posting is a major
>problem. I do not think that we provide one another with sufficient
>peer-academic support and as a result we have too many people working in
>relative isolation and we are undermining the development of outdoor
>education.
>
>Keep well,
>James
>
>PS I'm happy for all of this to go public if you want it posted.
>
>At 07:15 PM 10/21/01 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >Dear JamesI just read your posting to the outres list and link to names of
> >those in OE
> >research and evaluation. Firstly, I guess I'd like to know from where you
> >derived the list and whether you asked people previously before posting (by
> >your comment of 'if you are on the list and didnt' want to be)? I wonder
> >whether, for example, Kaye would like her work known generically as
>'women's
> >issues' as her work is quite specfic within that in relation to eating
> >disorders, adventure therapy and feminist research? I cannot, of course,
> >speak on her behalf and she may say otherwise. I also ask myself whether
>now
> >this is listed as 'the' people in OE that it forms a small clique - how
>much
> >research relating to OE is going on in other fields or not specifically in
> >OE departments? Also, why the add on of 'evaluation' - why not just OE
> >research? is this a continuation of the need to justify research in OE on
> >'evaluation' grounds? Maybe it's just a personal huff (as I'm not on the
> >list! - despite a disclaimer that one shouldn't be offended) but it does
> >provide a signal that confirms my feelings of being on the edge of the
> >outdoor world, simply because I am no longer professionally engaged in
> >outdoor education practice in a professional capacity and work in a sports
> >department rather than an OE one. I now find myself left with 2 choices, do
> >I ask you please to put me on the list and my research into women's careers
> >- and feel that I am now an 'add on', but at least out there in the outdoor
> >field where I feel my work has significance, or do I carry on quietly with
> >my own work, publish in mainstream sociology, leadership or educational
> >journals and continue presenting at BSA conferences or places where I feel
>I
> >broaden knowledge of OE to other disciplines and get constructive chat
>about
> >the theoretical and substantive issues in my work as well as its practical
> >application? I'd like to think OE can do both (and I think it is continuing
> >to grow in that direction and has potential)
> >
> >I rarely contribute to outres - partly due to being incredibly busy at work
> >and home, but also partly as last time I did and mentioned the word
>'gender'
> >there was a huge flurry of awkward activity about 'is this a problem
>anyway'
> >and then sudden silence ( I've kept the e-mails to help with my Phd
> >reflective chapter! - but I always listen in.
> >
> >maybe this is a rant and I shouldn't post it to the outres list. But I do
> >think a list of 'whos who' has wider implications than simply an
>information
> >service - particularly on the web.
> >
> >Linda
>
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>James T. Neill
>Department of Kinesiology
>New Hampshire Hall
>124 Main Street
>Durham, NH 03824
>USA
>voice: 603 862 3047
>fax: 603 862 0154
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James T. Neill
Department of Kinesiology
New Hampshire Hall
124 Main Street
Durham, NH 03824
USA
voice: 603 862 3047
fax: 603 862 0154
email: [log in to unmask]
http://www.unh.edu/outdoor-education/index.html
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