>Good point Lisa. Epithelial cells are stem cells.

huh?


>
>Steven got his science wrong again. The last time he got his history wrong
>was the claim that native indians only ate the tongues out of buffalo after
>driving them over cliffs. The RCMP (Canadian Mounties) were commissioned by
>the Canadian Federal government to stop Yankee fur traders from giving hard
>liquor to the natives in the prairies in the 1800's. The Federal government
>sent them out to Alberta in the beginning.

Anyway . . . . I don't recall Steven making this statement (about the
tongues), but if he did I don't see how "he got his history wrong."
There is a fairly extended section in Krech's book about the tongues
being the favored part of the buffalo; one paragraph in particular
talks about the tongue being preferred to all else and sometimes
being the only part of the animal taken for consumption.  Krech
writes:

        "As the descriptions make clear, Indians preferred cows over
bulls: Cow meat was far more palatable at all seasons (and bulls in
rut were virtually inedible), women could more easily work the hides
of cows than of thick-hided bulls, and cow robes (with the hair on)
were lusher than those made from thinner-haired bulls.  They also
indulged a taste for for parts of the bison considered delicacies,
and left behind what they did not need or want.  In 1805, the North
West Company trader Francois-Antoine Larocque remarked that Crow
Indians 'are most improvident with regard of Provision.'  He found it
'amazing' how many bison and other animals they killed, how often
they 'take but the fattest' parts, and thought it 'no wonder' that
'their love of good eating should expose them to the danger of a
temporary fast.'  Many Indians desired especially the hump, tongue,
marrow, and fetus.  As [Henry] Hind and many others remarked, the
tongue was greatly desired, especially when there was no fear of
shortage.  In 1804-5, [Charles] McKenzie wrote that 'large parties'
of Gros Ventres daily killed 'whole herds' only for the tongues, and
took only 'the best parts' home, leaving the rest 'to rot in the
field.' 'We lived like Kings,' McKenzie remarked.  On another
occasion, McKenzie was with some Cheyennes who killed '250 fat Cows
which they left on the field as they fell; excepting the Tongues
which they dried for a general feast they were to make for the
Missurie Indians, whom they expected all in a Band when we should get
home.'  The Piegan, Peter Fidler commented in February 1793, hunted
buffaloes for the fetus, of which they were 'remarkably fond.'  At
that season, the 'Calves in the Womb are now all well covered with
hair,' and the 'greater part of the Cows the Indians now kill is
merely for nothing else but for the calf'" (pp. 134-135).

fyi.

Jim T.


>
>When the white man killed off the buffalo there was a lot of 'unrest' in the
>native population which no longer meat, and other essentials. The RCMP had
>to police the natives after that because of the unrest. Prior to the buffalo
>being wiped out by white men, there was no native unrest. The natives used
>all parts of the buffalo except guts...
>
>chao
>
>john
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Lisa Dangutis <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:19 AM
>Subject: Re: new interpretive perspectives?
>
>
>>  In a message dated 12/01/01 10:47:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>  [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>>  > 2. JF has the science wrong as well. JF wrote "the cells that are used
>to
>>  >  clone humans
>>  >  with come from a fertilized embryo." In this case the cells used to
>clone
>>  >  were human epithelia cells, skin from one of the scientists at the lab
>>  where
>>  >  this was done. I believe he is a paraplegic and is interested in
>growing
>>  >  nerve cells.
>>
>>  Hi everyone,
>>
>>     Just to clarify the science a little further, the epiphial cells, were
>>  actually stem cells -- stem cells are being cloned. A stem
>  > cell is a generalized cell which maybe can become an ephilial cell, or a
>>  liver cell, et. Stem cells are undifferientated cells. There has also
>>  been some serious breakthroughs with trying to clone these cells as heart
>>  cells for patients with heart disease.
>>
>>  Li-