>There was an announcement about 'cloning'
>of a human by some lab. President Bush the 'W' came out with a condemnation
>about it based on ethical grounds. He had the science wrong, as have every
>politician I've heard so far, but basically he was making an ethical
>argument.
> I got to wondering how the anti-GE folks out there on the list felt about
> this? Is human cloning, which is a type of GE, in the same category as
> genetically modified plants and animals?
>
> Steven
May be you could provide some analysis regarding your pre-suppositions!
First of all, your comment about 'every politician' having the science wrong
makes me wonder. Characterize the politician that has the 'science right'
for simple clarification....
Where is the analysis that permits these kinds of conclusions? How could the
vast (in fact all politicians in your study group) have the 'science wrong'?
The assertion regarding 'right science' resembles a belief grounded in faith
and an absolute good. Hegel said that the goal of philosophy is to obtain to
the knowledge of 'absolute nothingness'....
How is 'human cloning' a type of 'genetic engineering'? Cloning is not
genetic engineering at all. Clones exist in nature, viz Populus tremuloides
clones, parthenogensis, et cetera.
Genetic engineering relies on inserting the chromosomes of unrelated species
into the chromosomes of some domestic species for the purposes of making
money since it results in a patent. Clones are not patentable unless they
come from some hybrid or cultivar that took a lot of breeding.
Human cloning is unethical because the cells that are used to clone humans
with come from a fertilized embryo. These embryos are frozen, and cells are
taken (undifferentiated ground cells) and used to clone another human. There
is no engineering of the genes with cloning, and that is precisely why
cloning is done, since the cloners are satifisfied with the cloned organism.
chao
john foster
>
> But the proper response to this hypothesis
> is that there are always people willing to
> believe anything, however implausible, merely
> in order to be contrary.
> Vikram Seth
> A Suitable Boy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion forum for environmental ethics.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Chiaviello, Anthony
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:53 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: new interpretive perspectives?
>
>
> Really. everyone speaks that "everything is changed" since 9/11, but I
don't
> think that is necessarily so. Yet, it seems like that in every issue we
> raise, there is a new, post-9/11 perspective, so perhaps it is true. At
> least, interpretive practice has taken a new turn or complicated itself
> since the attacks.
> -Tc
> Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor, Professional Writing
> Department of English
> University of Houston-Downtown
> One Main Street
> Houston, TX 77002-0001
> 713.221.8520 / 713.868.3979
> "Question Reality"
>
> > ----------
> > From: Steven Bissell[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:23 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: normal mayhem
> >
> > Tony, just a follow-up to the article about the animal rights group
> > wanting
> > to link hunting (hunters) to terrorists in NY. As I said, I have no idea
> > what it means. Are we more likely to see violence in a new light since
> > 9-11?
> > Probably so, but I have no insight as to how that may be. I was in
> > Australia
> > for the month following 9-11. What I heard the most about was the
> > resistance
> > of American politicians to implement gun control and the American
delusion
> > that the US was a safe country. But, I still do not know what it all
> > means.
> >
> > Steven
> >
> > On the other hand, prophets have a way of outlasting politicians.
> > Gandhi
> > has outlasted Nehru, and it appears that Confucius will outlast Mao
> > Tse-tung.
> > Huston Smith
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion forum for environmental ethics.
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Chiaviello, Anthony
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:34 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: normal mayhem
> >
> >
> > Steven et al
> >
> > I guess you're joshing about the fishermen. I'm sure such an incident
> > would
> > be of no more than interest in a pre-9/11 world. It does raise the issue
> > of
> > how much standard mayhem (not this in particular) has been reinterpreted
> > and
> > re-attributed since the NY/DC attacks.
> > -Tc
> > Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
> > Assistant Professor, Professional Writing
> > Department of English
> > University of Houston-Downtown
> > One Main Street
> > Houston, TX 77002-0001
> > 713.221.8520 / 713.868.3979
> > "Question Reality"
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Steven Bissell[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:37 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: FW: News Article
> > >
> > > I guess we have to add fishermen to our list of potential terrorists.
> > >
> > >
> > > Angler killed over Florida fishing spot
> > >
> > > Six-man brawl breaks out over fishing spot; three men arrested
> > >
> > > Associated Press - Nov. 25, 2001
> > >
> > > ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. - A man was killed Sunday, Nov. 25, in a brawl
among
> > > six anglers vying for the same fishing spot.
> > >
> > > Craig Alan Buckley, 35, died on the Matanzas Bridge on Florida's east
> > > coast. The cause of death was pending results of an autopsy, St. Johns
> > > County Sheriff's officials said.
> > >
> > > Three men were arrested, including Buckley's brother, David Todd
> > > Buckley, 37, of Peoria, Ill., who was charged with aggravated assault.
> > >
> > > Kenneth Eubanks, 39, of Tallahassee, and James Robert Nelson, 36, of
> > > Palatka, were charged with manslaughter. Nelson also was charged with
> > > aggravated assault.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm really not sure what all this means.
> > >
> > > Steven
> > >
> > > To say that "I will not be free till all
> > > humans (or sentient creatures) are free" is
> > > simply to cave in to a kind of nirvana-
> > > stupor, to abdicate our humanity, to define
> > > ourselves as losers.
> > > Hakim Bey
> > > The Temporary Autonomous Zone, 1985
> > >
> >
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