I really don't think this is worth the candle. You apparently haven't looked
at how interests are represented in politics. The Republican party has long
been the representative of corporate interests in the largest sense, going
back to before Hoover, but clearly instantiated in his administration. The
idea of trickle-down, giving govt. money to corporations and counting on
them to stimulate the economy, was first done by Hoover, then Reagan.
        Democratic party has always been the party of the worker unions:
look it up. Republicans always of the bosses. This is the class warfare Bush
likes to refer to. Note the different backgrounds of Republican politicians
compared to Democratic ones: like Johnson, a good ol' boy from Texas, and
elder Bush, scion of the Eastern establishment, etc, and so on yadda yadda.
Always exceptions, but that proves the rule. When I mentioned to a Black
colleague the absurdity of the Republican party trying to attract Blacks,
for example (and hipanics, for that matter) she confirmed that the idea of a
Black Republican was almost beyond imagination. The exceptions  - the rich
ones, generally - are window dressing for the party. Remember the NJ
Republican "get out the vote" drive in '96? The donated to Black churches if
the pastors would NOT get the Blacks out to vote. You can look it up on the
NYT index.
        A little basic research in politics will make this dichotomy very
evident to you. I think others on the list can help you with this, too,
except it appears they - and now I - have really lost interest in discussing
the obvious. The other thread, no doubt, looks far more appealing.
-Tc

Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Professional Writing
Department of English
University of Houston-Downtown
One Main Street
Houston, TX 77002-0001
713.221.8520 / 713.868.3979
"Question Reality"

> ----------
> From:         Steve[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent:         Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:50 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: R. vs. L. environmentalists
>
> More unsubstantiated crap from Tony.  Care to try and back any of
> this up with some actual facts Tony?
>
> Steve
>
>
> --- "Chiaviello, Anthony" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > In the US, the propertied classes generally support conservative
> > ideologies
> > and are in general represented by right-of-center politicians,
> > i.e., the
> > Republicans. This conclusion is a result of both my reasoning on
> > the matter
> > and of my experience in studying the property-rights and "wise-use"
> > movements. It's pretty clear and self-evident.
> > -Tc
> > Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
> > Assistant Professor, Professional Writing
> > Department of English
> > University of Houston-Downtown
> > One Main Street
> > Houston, TX 77002-0001
> > 713.221.8520 / 713.868.3979
> > "Question Reality"
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From:         Steven Bissell[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent:         Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:52 PM
> > > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject:      R. vs. L. environmentalists
> > >
> > > Tony wrote: "There is no ESA in Africa, or have I missed
> > something? The
> > > ESA
> > > here in the
> > > US is of course more onerous for property-owners (the richer
> > segments of
> > > the
> > > population) than for the urban poor. So the propertied resist it;
> > and they
> > > are generally Republican."
> > >
> > > Bissell here: Not correct at all. Most African countries are
> > signatory to
> > > CITES, and all that wish to get US aid have to follow at least
> > some of the
> > > US ESA. Take a look the list of species covered by the Act, there
> > are many
> > > African species. I don't know if all African countries have the
> > equivalent
> > > to the ESA, but I know that Kenya, South Africa and Tanzania do,
> > and they
> > > did it largely to comply with the US ESA. I have no idea how you
> > know what
> > > political party people who "resist" the ESA belong to, but the
> > idea that
> > > most property owners are Republican doesn't make much sense to
> > me.
> > >
> > > Steven
> > >
> > > We inhabit a world of dismal success
> > > and heroic failure.
> > >                       Irving Horowitz
> > >                       The Anarchists
> > >
>
>
> =====
> "In a nutshell, he [Steve] is 100% unadulterated evil. I do not believe in
> a 'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come."
> --Jamey Lee West
>
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