SB: Touche! -Tc
Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Professional Writing
Department of English
University of Houston-Downtown
One Main Street
Houston, TX 77002-0001
713.221.8520 / 713.868.3979
"Question Reality"

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> From:         Steven Bissell[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent:         Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:18 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: Unreliable Web and fantasy cloning
>
> I don't know Tony, I bought an Italian coffee maker a couple of years ago
> and it instructed me to "screw myself by hand." I'm still wondering about
> that.
> Steven
>
>  Dada is not dead
> Watch your overcoat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion forum for environmental ethics.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Chiaviello, Anthony
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 3:42 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Unreliable Web and fantasy cloning
>
>
> Steve,
>         Again, you're outdoing yourself on your Web research. Frankly, I
> don't know what the Italians are up to on cloning, but I do know that even
> scientists in Italy, unlike Al Qaeda apparently, have access to competent
> translators.
>         Shoddy translation is sufficient circumstantial evidence of shoddy
> original work, as it reflects the originators lack of respect for their
> own
> work such that they failed to see that it could be reproduced in another
> language without sounding like gibberish. This is a rigorous position that
> may not be ascribed to all in these days of imprecise language use.
>         I saw the story on Al Qaeda and their nuclear plans reported in
> the
> NY Times at least a week before it became recognized as an example and
> result of their absence of an ironic sense of humor. then the NYT reported
> it again, as it appears in the source you cite. I wonder what the Onion
> has
> done with it? See WWW.theonion.com.
>
> Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor, Professional Writing
> Department of English
> University of Houston-Downtown
> One Main Street
> Houston, TX 77002-0001
> 713.221.8520 / 713.868.3979
> "Question Reality"
>
> > ----------
> > From:         Steven Bissell[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent:         Wednesday, December 12, 2001 3:58 PM
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      Re: Unreliable Web and fantasy cloning
> > Steven Bissell here: I agree Tony, I only offered the second site to
> show
> > that someone is thinking in that direction. Tracing it back indicates
> that
> > it was a translation from Italian. http://digilander.iol.it which is
> > probably why the syntax is so mangled.
> >
> > Aren't the Italians the ones involved with human cloning? The problem
> with
> > Web citations is a big issue. Take a look at this article I post for my
> > students. The point being that Web citations are difficult to trust,
> even
> > those that purport to be from "referred journals."
> >
> > Nifty research, Steve!
> >         I checked both URLs: the Japanese situation still does not
> address
> > the implantation of an embryo and full development of the fetus, and
> still
> > places it 10 years out. It is aimed at "saving" fetuses, not procreating
> > clones, I believe. But now we know they are working on the technical
> side,
> > if only to develop a habitat for embryos/fetuses
> >         The second web site illustrates the problem with relying on the
> > Web
> > for reliable, valid information. From the way it is written, without
> > sourcing and under no name, I would immediately place it in the fantasy
> > column. There is no way to know the validity of the source, and the
> > language
> > is so garbled and unsyntactical that I  would not attribute it to the
> > kinds
> > of careful scientists it would take to develop the concept. Reputable
> > scientists are highly aware of the need for precision in language. This
> is
> > an extremely dubious source. A word to the wise: rely only on refereed
> > journal articles on this sort of topic Find any?
> > -Tc
> > Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
> > Assistant Professor, Professional Writing
> > Department of English
> > University of Houston-Downtown
> > One Main Street
> > Houston, TX 77002-0001
> > 713.221.8520 / 713.868.3979
> > "Question Reality"
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From:         Steven Bissell[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent:         Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:27 PM
> > > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject:      cloning, GMO, and artificial wombs
> > >
> > > A passing comment Tony C. made a few weeks ago got me thinking. As I
> > > remember Tony said that the technology to raise human outside of the
> > human
> > > uterus were remote. I got checking on this and found some interesting
> > > stuff.
> > > Seems that it isn't quite so unlikely, although as Tony said, it is
> > > difficult.
> > >
> > > http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/Kloning/womb.html
> > >
> > > It seems that some feel that the use of artificial wombs in humans is
> > > merely
> > > a technological problem and will be resolved soon.
> > >
> > > http://digilander.iol.it/ffranceschi/midima/uterarte.html
> > >
> > > Given the reality of cloning, genetic engineering, and now the
> > possibility
> > > of artificial wombs, we are faced, if only in a theoretical sense, the
> > > dilemma of figuring out whether or not these 'things' are moral
> agents,
> > > and/or if we have moral responsibilities to them. I've always more or
> > less
> > > taken the position that evolutionary ecology should (could?) give us
> > > direction for understanding or formulating moral rules and
> obligations.
> > > But
> > > this brave new world seems to be presenting us with all sorts of new
> and
> > > difficult questions.
> > >
> > > The reason I got thinking about this was a short story about a round
> > worm
> > > who had been given a human brain. A bit far fetched, but interesting
> in
> > > that
> > > the author was asking whether we had the moral obligations to a human
> or
> > > to
> > > a round worm. I suspect that only some of this will get into the area
> of
> > > applied ethics during my life-time, but it is interesting to think
> > about.
> > >
> > > Steven
> > >
> > > But the proper response to this hypothesis
> > > is that there are always people willing to
> > > believe anything, however implausible, merely
> > > in order to be contrary.
> > >                              Vikram Seth
> > >                              A Suitable Boy
> > >
> >
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