Folks,
please remember too that it is not merely a matter of how
poorly lecturers and researchers (of all ranks) are paid in
absolute terms.
there is also the issue of the disproportionate ratcheting
up of demands on us year on year.
here at UWE-Bristol as part of the AUT "Day of Action" we
have been publicising the fact that we have now reached the
point where there are so many demands made upon us
(teaching, consultations, external examining, distance
learning, postgrads, research, writing, committees, TQA,
RAE, etc.) and these demands are so organised in the
teaching year that it is IMPOSSIBLE to take contractually
mandated holidays or even satisfy research and teaching
requirements spelled out in the contract.
colleagues are therefore being put in the position of being
"forced" implicitly to work free overtime.
for junior lecturers these pressures are even more intense
as they are now required to undergo ILT-approved training
as well as fend off the blandishments of treacly committee
chairs.
I agree wholeheartedly with Tim that organising lecturers
is very hard business (no class consciousness!), but we
have to begin with communicating a clear understanding of
where we are contractually. Hopefully, in time, we can
work towards a "work to your contract" regime.
Chad Staddon
Geography
UWE-Bristol
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:16:29 -0000 "Batterbury,S"
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I've been at an HE College,
> A newish pre-1992 university,
> and LSE (old university).
>
> all pay the same - a lecturer's salary with increments. Just goes up one
> salary point a year. Neither good nor bad, but not keeping pace with other
> professions, as we all know.
>
> The last one is easily the richest institution, but any wealth is not really
> transferred through to lecturers. You have to be professor, a rising star,
> or employed in economics or related disciplines, to receive a big wage
> packet. Nonetheless, 'devolved budgeting' down to departmental level does
> not work here, as it did in my previous institution. Thus, if one of my
> Department was now promoted and thus commanded a higher salary, the
> additional cost is met from central resources (at least initially, via
> complex formula funding), not Departmental resources. This may be a big
> difference with departments running a fully devolved budget system, where -
> theoretically - too many promotions might plunge the Department into
> defecit.
>
> The pay I received at a state research university in America as visiting
> faculty was pretty poor, however. It is also my understanding that, even
> talking into account cost-of-living differences, lecturers/assistant
> professors actually earn more in Europe than they do in North America, in
> entry-level positions. This situation changes as you get more senior.
>
> But I don't work for big financial rewards, and I am sure many others don't
> either.
>
> Dr Simon Batterbury
> Lecturer, Development Studies Institute (DESTIN)
> LSE, Houghton St
> London WC2A 2AE, UK
> fax (+44) 020-7955-6844
> telephone (+44) 020-7955-7771 (direct) 7425 (general office)
> Web pages: http://www.lse.ac.uk/Depts/destin/simon/homepage/simon1.html
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Crouch [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 05 December 2000 13:24
> > To: Subject: Re: academic pay
> >
> > Do critical geographers have anything to say about the difference in pay
> > between academics old and new Universities?
> >
> > David Crouch
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Patterson <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: tisdag, december 05, 2000 12:53
> > Subject: academic pay
> >
> >
> > >Do critical geographers have anything to say about _why_ the salaries
> > for
> > >academic post-doc researchers (and junior lecturers) are so poor and have
> > >been falling in relative terms for decades? Surely we can't leave this
> > >issue by simply blaming the ESRC for not allowing higher salaries to be
> > paid
> > >on the projects that they fund?
> > >--
> > >Dr Alan Patterson
> > >Department of Geography & Earth Sciences
> > >Brunel University, Uxbridge UB8 3PH UK
> > >
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"The Authority of those who teach is often the
greatest barrier raised against those who wish to learn" Cicero
Dr. Chad Staddon
School of Geography and Environmental Management
University of the West of England
Coldharbour Lane Bristol
England, BS16 1QY
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