Linda,
I got it, thanx anyway. It is a very interesting research article... and
well conducted as well (which I must admit). I will look more into this
issue and question the fact why we need to stretch. will get back to you
asap!
Henry***
>From: "Linda K" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Stretching reference
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:45:20 +0100
>
>Henry
>I did type out the ref in my original posting - if you did not get it let
>me
>know and I will post it again
>Linda
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Henry Tsao" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: 14 October 2000 23:23
>Subject: Re: pre-exercise stretching
>
>
> > Linda,
> >
> > Very interesting, and very much against everything we have known about
> > stretching before exercise. Is the paper published on the internet, and
>if
> > not, where can I get hold of this paper. However, I have a few
>questions:
> >
> > Is there any further research that will backup this claim the
>pre-exercises
> > stretching is not beneficial for injury prevention?? Was the study
>specific
> > in saying which muscles they stretched, how they stretched them, whether
> > they stretched for a certain time frame, and whether they stretched
>after
> > their exercises?? it seems to me that 1538 people is a large sample, and
> > would be difficult to control these factors, which are as important in
> > injury prevention as simply doing stretches.
> >
> > Henry***
> >
> > >From: "Linda K" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Subject: pre-exercise stretching
> > >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:03:39 +0100
> > >
> > >in 1996 Pope R et al (proceedings of the 1996 National Physiotherapy
> > >Congress p193 - A RCT to determine whether pre-exercise stretching
>prevents
> > >injury ) did an RCT with 1538 male Australian army recruits and showed
>that
> > >there were no benenfits of pre-exercise stretching in preventing injury
> > >(presumably this would also apply to the weight lifters and mm in the
> > >lumbopelvic region). Injury was more closely correlated with aerobic
> > >fitness.
> > >Linda K
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Henry Tsao" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: 09 October 2000 21:48
> > >Subject: Re: TA & Stabilisation?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dr Siff and others,
> > > >
> > > > I was talking to friend who worked at the olympics as a
>Physiotherapist
> > >down
> > > > in Sydney in the last 2 weeks, and briefly touched upon the issue of
>low
> > > > prevalance of back pain in weightlifters. He offered me a different
> > > > alternative on why back pain was limited in weightlifters:
> > > >
> > > > 1. They stretched their muscles always before they compete, hence
>they
> > >have
> > > > length and strength in their muscles. This means that the TrA and
> > >multifidus
> > > > muscles will not be inhibited and can be used to stabilize the
>lumbar
> > >spine.
> > > > This is in contrast to a worker who does not stretch at all before
>heavy
> > > > lifting, tightens muscles in the lumbopelvic region, which in turn
> > >inhibits
> > > > the TrA and Multifidus muscles and hence are more prone to injury as
>a
> > > > result of reduced lumbar stability.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Most sport people will have physiotherapy, chiropractic and other
> > >therapy
> > > > intervention during their training (I know for a fact that Maurice
> > >Green,
> > > > the 100M champion has both Physiotherapy and chiropractors work on
>him
> > >4-5
> > > > times a week. These will not only free up their joints, but also
>help
> > > > stretch their muscles. It is like having treatment regularly - hence
> > > > reducing the prevalence of back pain.
> > > >
> > > > 3. The diet that sports people are on usually is very beneficial for
> > > > healing. Diet is a big part of the human body. Therefore, even if
>they
> > >have
> > > > an injury, they will heal a lot faster than compared to the average
> > >worker
> > > > who strains their back.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Psychologically, it is known that if you are under a lot of
>stress,
> > >such
> > > > as the stress of work, your muscles will tighten. Most sportman (and
>I
> > >mean
> > > > most) are motivated and so focused in what they do that their normal
> > >pain
> > > > threshold would be high, especially in weightlifters. They need to
>block
> > >out
> > > > the aches and pains in their muscle and simply focus on what they
>are
> > >doing.
> > > > I know as a soccer player I have had times where I would play a game
>and
> > >be
> > > > so focused in the game, not realizing that my legs were bleeding
>from
>a
> > > > previous tackle until I slow down.
> > > >
> > > > We both agree that there is a lot of factors involved, and we can
>not
> > >simply
> > > > pinpoint a single factor on why weightlifters and most sport people
> > >don't
> > > > have back pain. However, it does show us that other factors such as
> > > > nutrition and psychology play a big part in the overall presentation
>of
> > >the
> > > > human being.
> > > >
> > > > To answer some of the questions posed by Dr Siff:
> > > >
> > > > >5. Are TrA methods definitely superior to most other methods of
> > >addressing
> > > > >back pain?
> > > > ***Definitely not, TrA, like any other Physiotherapy method, is
>always
> > >used
> > > > in conjunction with other Physiotherapy techniques, and it is always
> > > > difficult to say which methods are the best simply because every
>patient
> > >is
> > > > different. This is probably why Physiotherapy has lacked so much
> > >evidence,
> > > > because research is not easy to do, since we do not use a single
> > >technique
> > > > in our treatment(eg, it took Physiotherapists down in Sydney 6
>months
>to
> > > > examine the effectiveness of AP glides on the AC joint in the
>shoulder).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >6. How does one non-invasively check for TrA 'miseducation' or
> > >'laziness'
> > > > >during full ranges of dynamic or ballistic 'functional' movement
>(such
> > >as
> > > > >running, lifting and jumping)?
> > > > ***This is still to be shown, but the TrA theory offers us a way of
> > >thinking
> > > > and an explanation to what is happening in the lumbar spine. With
> > > > advancements in technology, I am sure they will soon be able to
>check
> > > > non-invasively TrA activation during functional movements.
> > > >
> > > > >7. Why do some cases of back pain, even among those with
>apparently
> > >'weak'
> > > > >or 'lazy' TrA muscles, spontaneously resolve themselves without
> > >repeatedly
> > > > >recurring?
> > > > ***Is there any research on the percentage of back pain patients who
> > >resolve
> > > > spontaneously and NEVER get back pain again. It would have to be a
>very
> > > > extensive longitudinal study to show this, and would be a very
> > >interesting
> > > > topic of discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Henry***
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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