----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Delaney <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: VR, 'girls' and PC (not computers!)
> Peter - it's not about being called old - but more pre-pubescent - i for
one
> did not go through raging hormones and adolescent angst PLUS other
> interesting physiological processes to be called a girl for the rest of my
> life, just as I'm sure you didn't expect after all that voice-breaking,
> raging hormones, angst and interesting physiological processes to be
called
> a boy.
>
> There.
>
> PS: This discussion might be better off-list as poor old Peter might end
up
> a bit hectored?
## Hectored? Impossible. With an irish father and a French mother ...
hectored ...never.
Of course we could go down the *old* girl route.... :-))
Incidentally I have replied to most offline, but this does give me a break
from boring qualitative research as I seek out saturation and keep my eye on
triangulation - why do i do it, and for the third time? Maybe it is what
boys do :-))
Peter French
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter French <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 27 July 2000 22:19
> Subject: Re: VR, 'girls' and PC (not computers!)
>
>
> >Dear Phil
> >
> >Your comments are interesting.
> >
> >You have a point but maybe Alexandra's comments may have resulted from
her
> >state as *grown*.
> >
> >As I am a rail commuter, I will attempt to find and *ungrown* woman on
the
> >way to the Institute. However I will be missing all of those who *stay at
> >home*. But then, as you so rightly point out, those who stay at home may
be
> >*staying* but not really *at home*. If I do my research or direct my
staff
> >from my study where is fact am I? This confusion may arise from the fact
> >that I have been a Distance Education student since 1960 and *home* takes
> on
> >many hues, and *staying at* is the basis of success. On the other hand it
> >may arise from my lack of a liberal education as my undergraduate degrees
> >are in Accountancy, Industrial Engineering, and Banking & Finance.
Retiring
> >to teaching after 30 years and 2 Masters may also be the cause....
> >
> >However one thing does cause me to worry - Alexandra must be the first
> >woman, who by her own admission and description, would rather be regarded
> as
> >older than younger ... the explanation for that escapes me, and my
growing
> >group of amused friends.
> >
> >Peter French
> >Male, 56
> >Australia
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Carverhill, Phil SDH <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:00 AM
> >Subject: RE: VR, 'girls' and PC (not computers!)
> >
> >
> >> Alessandra . . .
> >>
> >> Similar to your critique of Peter's comments, could you not write
things
> >> like this:
> >>
> >> Alessandra Iantaffi wrote:
> >>
> >> >(yes, some grown women do work rather than staying at home)
> >>
> >> Could be interpreted with equal lack of sensitivity (and stereotyping)
to
> >> the fact that some women (and men btw) who 'stay at home' do so in
order
> >to
> >> be primary caregivers to children (is this not work! and very important
> >> work), or operate a home-based business (e.g., writing, consulting,
etc.)
> >or
> >> other types of 'work' activities. They may not all be acknowledged by
> pay
> >> (depending on the country), but nonetheless (unpaid) work. Being a
> >> discourse analyst I oriented to your particular choice of language
which
> >> constructed a dichotomy between "work" ("rather than") and "staying at
> >> home". Some approaches to discourse analysis emphasize language as
social
> >> action, and what we 'do' with our words. Case in point!
> >>
> >> Respectfully,
> >>
> >> Phil Carverhill
> >> Canada
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alessandra Iantaffi [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 7:11 AM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: VR, 'girls' and PC (not computers!)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At the risk of sounding like a politically correct pain in the neck
> (which
> >I
> >> am,
> >> by the way :-), could you not write things like this:
> >>
> >> Peter French wrote:
> >>
> >> > I like the 7 pound/hour girls someone mentioned the other day - send
> >them,
> >> > to Australia when you are finished :-))
> >> >
> >> > Peter French
> >> > Melbourne, Australia
> >>
> >> Sorry, Peter, but it really gets me to see things like that. A) they
> might
> >> be
> >> 'boys' or even grown men and women (yes, some grown women do work
rather
> >> than
> >> staying at home) B) I find it offensive, as a grown woman, to be
referred
> >to
> >> as
> >> a 'girl' (and it does happen more often than I'd like, inspite of a
very
> >> respectable doctorate, a research fellowship and the appearance of some
> >> white
> >> hair :). I am sure other do too.
> >> Again, please don't take it personally, but I just couldn't keep quiet.
> >>
> >> Alessandra
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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