Kathrine: There certainly are plenty of ways humans can bring grief to
each other. Physical brutality is one, verbal aggression is another.
Perhaps most of on the list could try to be cautious in asserting much
of anything about ALL the members of a group, or gender, or nationality.
Hopefully you don't concur with Katherine McKinnon that any instance of
heterosexual intercourse constitutes rape. Assumptions about all members
of the other gender have been made by both males and females. Geoff
Crealock
kathrine connolly wrote:
>
> Gerald
>
> 'I think you are away with the fairies' 'all women envy the penis ' maybe
> it is your story, but then you are a man and lets face it most men like to
> believe this myth, the same kind of man that gives their penis a name
> ..........sorry but what did you expect. This is the kind of comment that
> would make any woman, that values her womanhood, want to bite the ankle (or
> even the testicles of the man that said this)...Pleassssse, women do not
> need to go waving there bits around and accusing the opposite sex of being
> jealous of a bodily part. This is not a valid argument or an intelligent
> statement, and I sincerely hope you are just a counsellor in training, and
> have not been let loose on the general public with such biased views, you
> know equal opps etc.
>
> As a single parent of three children, totally unsupported by a penis (cos an
> awful lot of penis's have no scrupples) I have brought my children up,
> completed a degree in psychology, a diploma in psychodynamic counselling
> (yes) and am in the process of struggling with my doctorate...........I can
> assure you I do not envy a penis or even resent a penis .............I feel
> rather sad for the poor human beings that are attached to a penis, and
> worry about the apparently strange connection between the penis and the
> brain.
>
> I realise that these comments are exactly what this site is not about. and
> I apologise to the other members. I would just like to add that I find your
> comments offensive and without validation. I am a feminist, or should I say
> a person that believes all people should be equal.............but don't we
> all believe this and if we do not then we should. I think Shulamith
> Firestone has a valid point in that women will never be equal until the
> burden of child bearing is removed from women and it becomes an asexual
> process. then it can no longer be used as a guilt trip to control women.
> Because child-bearing and the concept of womanhood has been used as a method
> of control since the ark.
>
> oh by the way I am now a lesbian, oh I did not start out as one, but after
> being beaten up on a regular basis by a thing attached to a penis. I
> decided to bat for the other team..........BUT I AM THE
> EXCEPTION.........most lesbians are with women because they love women
> ..........not because they hate men. having said that of my three children
> two are boys, and I adore all of them. And I do not envy a penis, because I
> am a very attractive woman (kate Bush look alike) . I think the thing that
> is so frustrating about such an inane comment like yours is that I cannot
> argue about it in any depth, and the bottom line is that my comments are as
> shallow as yours ...........and after seven years of working with the
> Samaritans, victim support and working in a young offenders prison (category
> 'A' .....lifers ......male) I do not think I am a shallow person.
>
> apologises to the other members again
>
> KT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Helen <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:14 PM
> Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Helen <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: G.F. Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
> >
> >
> > > Gerald
> > >
> > > 'All women envy the Penis' - I resent this statement for a number of
> > > reasons. Firstly I wonder how many gay woman would agree with you? Why
> > > would a woman envy something that deflates in later life, lets face it
> > you
> > > only get 2 years use out of a penis (maximum). Also all women are
> taught
> > > from a very early age that all men only think with their penis, recent
> > > statistics show that one in two women prefer chocolate to sex, long live
> > the
> > > Cadburys flake! It does the same job but tastes a hundred times better.
> > > I really do not like lowering myself to this level, however, there was
> no
> > > need for your statement I feel it was totally uncalled for and was petty
> > and
> > > pathetic and just like an insecure man to come out with.
> > >
> > > Hel.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: G.F. Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Stephen
> > > > I swore, in an earlier message I said that I would not , under any
> > > > circumstances reply to anything bearing the the name ADHD. I am
> however
> > > > moved by your message.
> > > >
> > > > It is unfortunate that I should reply to you in a psychodynamic way.
> > I
> > > > totally support you in your statement. It feels unfortunate to me
> > that
> > > in
> > > > this politically correct society, that we should not be allowed to
> > suggest
> > > > the MOTHER as being important. She is , indeed, terribly importamt
> in
> > > the
> > > > upbringing of the infant. Without the Mother we should surely be
> lost.
> > I
> > > > consider feminists' to be without breast and without that which could
> be
> > > > described as WOMANHOOD. For the Femiinists amongst you, can reply,
> but
> > > > before you do please listen from a Feminist Friend; 'If my foetus is
> > male
> > > I
> > > > will kill it' After birth the BABY (BOY) was the love of her life
> > and
> > > is
> > > > now a Consultant Physician in a a major taeching hospital, in London.
> > His
> > > > mother is in constant contact and tells me that the milk is still in
> her
> > > > breasts. SOMEONE EXPLAIN IF YOU CAN?
> > > >
> > > > Due to the abuse in this group, I am not in the least interested in
> the
> > > > political views of the feminist movement, but only from WOMEN in the
> > true
> > > > sense of the word.
> > > >
> > > > Gerald
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ' All Women envy the Penis'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rennie, Steve [HES] <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: 02 May 2000 11:43
> > > > Subject: RE: ADD & ADHD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Helen (and others in the ADHD thread), I have been a playworker since
> > the
> > > > late 1960s, mostly on adventure playgrounds in the UK. In the last
> > > fifteen
> > > > years my direct work with children has tended to be more specialist.
> > Over
> > > > the years many children have come to me with labels, increasingly of
> > late
> > > > ADHD. I have never yet found a child labelled in that way who was
> unable
> > > to
> > > > relate to me constructively and attentively through their play. In a
> > short
> > > > series of experiments, I asked principal carers, who had expressed
> major
> > > > concerns about their relationships with their children, to engage with
> > > them
> > > > in imaginal play. Every one reported considerable and sustained
> > > improvements
> > > > both in their relationships with the child and in the child's
> > > relationships
> > > > with others.
> > > > >
> > > > >My observations of children with their principal carers
> (overwhelmingly
> > > > their mothers) appear to indicate that most apparently anti-social
> > > > behaviours exhibited by the children are best explained as
> "dysplay",
> > > > distorted play cues arising from increasingly desperate attempts on
> the
> > > part
> > > > of the child to get playful interaction with the carer. A short period
> > of
> > > > accurate response to play cues appears to diminish this "dysplay"
> > > > dramatically and in a sustained fashion.
> > > > >
> > > > >The major problem I have had in gaining acceptance of this technique,
> > > would
> > > > appear to be its lack of seriousness. Engaging with a child in
> imaginal
> > > play
> > > > looks silly and adult participants often say that it feels silly at
> > first.
> > > > One mother of a four year old who had set fire to his nursery school
> and
> > > his
> > > > house said that it felt she was ignoring the problem when she just
> > played
> > > > cars (with noises) while lying on the carpet with him. However, she
> also
> > > > said that the end of that session, when he spontaneously cuddled her,
> > was
> > > > the first time that had happened since he had been a baby.
> > > > >
> > > > >If I had made the option of medication for the child available to
> that
> > > > mother at the outset, I am sure that she would have taken it. She
> would
> > > have
> > > > felt she was addressing a serious problem seriously.
> > > > >
> > > > >Stephen Rennie, Leeds Metropolitan University
> > > > >[log in to unmask]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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