----- Original Message -----
From: kathrine connolly <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD


> Gerald
>
> 'I think you are away with the fairies'  'all women envy the penis ' maybe
> it is your story, but then you are a man and lets face it most men like to
> believe this myth, the same kind of man that gives their penis  a name
> ..........sorry but what did you expect.  This is the kind of comment that
> would make any woman, that values her womanhood, want to bite the ankle
(or
> even the testicles of the man that said this)...Pleassssse, women do not
> need to go waving there bits around and accusing the opposite sex of being
> jealous of a bodily part.  This is not a valid argument or an intelligent
> statement, and I sincerely hope you are just a counsellor in training, and
> have not been let loose on the general public with such biased views, you
> know equal opps etc.
>
> As a single parent of three children, totally unsupported by a penis (cos
an
> awful lot of penis's have no scrupples) I have brought my children up,
> completed a degree in psychology, a diploma in psychodynamic counselling
> (yes) and am in the process of struggling with my doctorate...........I
can
> assure you I do not envy a penis or even resent a penis .............I
feel
> rather sad for the poor human beings that are attached to a penis,  and
> worry about the apparently strange connection between the penis and the
> brain.
>
> I realise that these comments are exactly what this site is not about.
and
> I apologise to the other members.  I would just like to add that I find
your
> comments offensive and without validation.  I am a feminist, or should I
say
> a person that believes all people should be equal.............but don't we
> all believe this and if we do not then we should.   I think Shulamith
> Firestone has a valid point in that women will never be equal until the
> burden of child bearing is removed from women and it becomes an asexual
> process.  then it can no longer be used as a guilt trip to control women.
> Because child-bearing and the concept of womanhood has been used as a
method
> of control since the ark.
>
> oh by the way I am now a lesbian, oh I did not start out as one, but after
> being beaten up on a regular basis by a thing attached to a penis.  I
> decided to bat for the other team..........BUT I AM THE
> EXCEPTION.........most lesbians are with women because they love women
> ..........not because they hate men.  having said that of my three
children
> two are boys, and I adore all of them.  And I do not envy a penis, because
I
> am a very attractive woman (kate Bush look alike) .   I think the thing
that
> is so frustrating about such an inane comment like yours is that I cannot
> argue about it in any depth, and the bottom line is that my comments are
as
> shallow as yours ...........and after seven years of working with the
> Samaritans, victim support and working in a young offenders prison
(category
> 'A' .....lifers ......male) I do not think I am a shallow person.
>
> apologises to the other members again
>
> KT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Helen <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:14 PM
> Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Helen <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: G.F. Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
> >
> >
> > > Gerald
> > >
> > > 'All women envy the Penis' - I resent this statement for a number of
> > > reasons.  Firstly I wonder how many gay woman would agree with you?
Why
> > > would  a woman envy something that deflates in later life, lets face
it
> > you
> > > only get 2 years use out of a penis (maximum).  Also all women are
> taught
> > > from a very early age that all men only think with their penis, recent
> > > statistics show that one in two women prefer chocolate to sex, long
live
> > the
> > > Cadburys flake! It does the same job but tastes a hundred times
better.
> > > I really do not like lowering myself  to this level, however, there
was
> no
> > > need for your statement I feel it was totally uncalled for and was
petty
> > and
> > > pathetic and just like an insecure man to come out with.
> > >
> > > Hel.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: G.F. Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Stephen
> > > > I swore, in an earlier message I said that I would not , under any
> > > > circumstances reply to anything bearing the the name ADHD.  I am
> however
> > > > moved by your message.
> > > >
> > > > It is unfortunate that I should reply to you in a psychodynamic
way.
> > I
> > > > totally support you in your statement.   It feels unfortunate to me
> > that
> > > in
> > > > this politically correct society, that we should not be allowed to
> > suggest
> > > > the MOTHER as being  important.  She is , indeed, terribly
importamt
> in
> > > the
> > > > upbringing of the infant.  Without the Mother we should surely be
> lost.
> > I
> > > > consider feminists' to be without breast and without that which
could
> be
> > > > described as WOMANHOOD.  For the Femiinists amongst you, can reply,
> but
> > > > before you do please listen from a Feminist Friend;  'If my foetus
is
> > male
> > > I
> > > > will kill it'  After birth  the BABY  (BOY)  was the love of her
life
> > and
> > > is
> > > > now a Consultant Physician in a a major taeching hospital, in
London.
> > His
> > > > mother is in constant contact and tells me that the milk is still in
> her
> > > > breasts.  SOMEONE EXPLAIN IF YOU CAN?
> > > >
> > > > Due to the abuse in this group, I am not in the least interested in
> the
> > > > political views of the feminist movement, but only from WOMEN in the
> > true
> > > > sense of the word.
> > > >
> > > > Gerald
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ' All Women envy the Penis'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rennie, Steve [HES] <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: 02 May 2000 11:43
> > > > Subject: RE: ADD & ADHD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Helen (and others in the ADHD thread), I have been a playworker
since
> > the
> > > > late 1960s, mostly on adventure playgrounds in the UK. In the  last
> > > fifteen
> > > > years my direct work with children has tended to be more specialist.
> > Over
> > > > the years many children have come to me with labels, increasingly of
> > late
> > > > ADHD. I have never yet found a child labelled in that way who was
> unable
> > > to
> > > > relate to me constructively and attentively through their play. In a
> > short
> > > > series of experiments, I asked principal carers, who had expressed
> major
> > > > concerns about their relationships with their children, to engage
with
> > > them
> > > > in imaginal play. Every one reported considerable and sustained
> > > improvements
> > > > both in their relationships with the child and in the child's
> > > relationships
> > > > with others.
> > > > >
> > > > >My observations of children with their principal carers
> (overwhelmingly
> > > > their mothers) appear to indicate that most apparently anti-social
> > > > behaviours exhibited  by the children are  best explained as
> "dysplay",
> > > > distorted play cues arising from increasingly desperate attempts on
> the
> > > part
> > > > of the child to get playful interaction with the carer. A short
period
> > of
> > > > accurate response to play cues appears to diminish this "dysplay"
> > > > dramatically and in a sustained fashion.
> > > > >
> > > > >The major problem I have had in gaining acceptance of this
technique,
> > > would
> > > > appear to be its lack of seriousness. Engaging with a child in
> imaginal
> > > play
> > > > looks silly and adult participants often say that it feels silly at
> > first.
> > > > One mother of a four year old who had set fire to his nursery school
> and
> > > his
> > > > house said that it felt she was ignoring the problem when she just
> > played
> > > > cars (with noises) while lying on the carpet with him. However, she
> also
> > > > said that the end of that session, when he spontaneously cuddled
her,
> > was
> > > > the first time that had happened since he had been a baby.
> > > > >
> > > > >If I had made the option of medication for the child available to
> that
> > > > mother at the outset, I am sure that she would have taken it. She
> would
> > > have
> > > > felt she was  addressing a serious problem seriously.
> > > > >
> > > > >Stephen Rennie, Leeds Metropolitan University
> > > > >[log in to unmask]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



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